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AC · 06-02-2014, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I have my opinions, but in the end they are considerably uneducated when compared to the Flames management and scouting staff.

In the end, whatever the Flames decide to do, I will take a wait and see approach because it will be years before any body can rightfully claim the proper decisions were made, or the right players were picked.

That's the most sane thing I've ever seen on CP in regards to the draft. I wish more posters had this mindset.

Though the annual meltdowns are entertaining at least.

Ped · 06-02-2014, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

And thats why Burke went out and got an extra second and third round pick in this years draft. ammunition in the chamber in case an opportunity came up to use them to move up.

Not necessarily.

Teams that find successes after the first round tend to have more than one second and third rounders. The more shots, the better chance you have of finding a player.

theoforever · 06-02-2014, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AC

That's the most sane thing I've ever seen on CP in regards to the draft. I wish more posters had this mindset.

Though the annual meltdowns are entertaining at least.

Then again quarter of century of bad management in various reincarnations could make anyone suspicious of the direction.
Although this group of brain trust looks promising for now.

JJ1532 · 06-02-2014, 08:20 PM

Stay right where we are please Brad and Brian. If Edmonton stay at #3 and draft Draisaitl as expected, no matter who ends up with the 1st and 2nd overall picks, be it Florida and Buffalo, or Toronto, Vancouver, whoever, we will still draft Bennett, Reinhart or Ekblad. I'm confident any of the 3 could go on to become an excellent player for us. There simply isn't value in trading up IMO. The only exception I would make is if we pulled off a deal that was agreed to be very favourable to us. I'm no expert, I couldn't begin to wonder what sort of package we could out together to get the first that wouldn't harm us in the long run. I'm not keen on losing any of the vets, however inconsistent they are. That includes Smid, Jiri, Glencross, Gio etc. I also don't want to trade any of the prospects. The likes of Sven need another year before we get a good idea if his development is progressing as expected or he is going backwards. Take him out of the picture and i don't want to see us trade up by losing an already decent first rounder, a solid 2nd, a 3rd and any of the above players. We have a good group here. Decent vets. Promising prospects. A solid back room team, including Brad, Brian and Bob.

If it was MacKinnon or McDavid available then yes, but the fact Florida and Buffalo are giving them away shows for me that the price we would have to pay to get the first overall IMO just isn't worth it. Let's stay calm for these next few weeks, let all the others squabble over who gets what pick. We keep the 4th, draft a quality player with the minimal amount of fuss and walk away with our dignity intact.

T@T · 06-02-2014, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

His NTC says NO.

No on Buffalo but I suspect he would have no problem joining Lou in Miami.

Kesler,Edler and 6th overall

for

Campbell, Boyes and 1st overall

Vinny01 · 06-02-2014, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by T@T

No on Buffalo but I suspect he would have no problem joining Lou in Miami.

Kesler,Edler and 6th overall

for

Campbell, Boyes and 1st overall

Hate to say it but Vancouver gets hosed pretty hard there

T@T · 06-02-2014, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Hate to say it but Vancouver gets hosed pretty hard there

I know!

FAN · 06-02-2014, 08:33 PM

I think in this draft, the Flames should not pay too high of a price to move up because that #4 pick is going to be worth something to a lot of teams.

With that said, I think you forget about whether it's an overpayment or not. It comes down to whether there is a guy you really like above everyone else and if he's not going to be there when you pick you move up to take him. It comes down to whether that team can afford losing that roster player.

To me, I think Reinhart will be the first forward to go. A lot of people here talk about there not being a clear-cut #1 but Reinhart has been in the #1 overall discussion for many years now along with Ekblad. I am not too sure where Ekblad will go considering the number of quality defensemen in this draft but considering Seth Jones dropped last year, I can see teams going with forwards or some team moving up to take him #1 overall.

The point is that I don't think a lot of teams rank the consensus top 4 necessarily as having little difference between them. Different teams might have different #1s, and so there isn't a "clear-cut #1" but at the end of the day, I think a lot of teams who would draft Ekblad or Reinhart #1 see them as a cut above the rest.

MrMastodonFarm · 06-02-2014, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I have my opinions, but in the end they are considerably uneducated when compared to the Flames management and scouting staff.

In the end, whatever the Flames decide to do, I will take a wait and see approach because it will be years before any body can rightfully claim the proper decisions were made, or the right players were picked.

Quoted so more people see it.

sureLoss · 06-02-2014, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AC

That's the most sane thing I've ever seen on CP in regards to the draft. I wish more posters had this mindset.

Though the annual meltdowns are entertaining at least.

If TSN tells me it is a mistake, then by gum I am going to rage!

d_phaneuf · 06-02-2014, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by T@T

No on Buffalo but I suspect he would have no problem joining Lou in Miami.

Kesler,Edler and 6th overall

for

Campbell, Boyes and 1st overall

ya that's a horrible deal

d_phaneuf · 06-02-2014, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ped

Not necessarily.

Teams that find successes after the first round tend to have more than one second and third rounders. The more shots, the better chance you have of finding a player.

think it's a case of both

I imagine when you have multiple 2nds you're much more willing to make a move in to the 1st

so if he keeps the pick they stockpile asset, if they move up by using the 2nd they aren't leaving a gap of 60+ spots between picks or any less new prospects

StrykerSteve · 06-02-2014, 09:57 PM

Smid + the COL second and early negotiating rights to Cammy is about the best I'd be willing to give up for the top pick. The fourth overall shouldn't be in play, it's already a guaranteed top prospect. If they don't want their pick it's because they want to win now, so maybe it works for them.

GoJetsGo · 06-02-2014, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Smid + the COL second and early negotiating rights to Cammy is about the best I'd be willing to give up for the top pick. The fourth overall shouldn't be in play, it's already a guaranteed top prospect. If they don't want their pick it's because they want to win now, so maybe it works for them.

Would you trade one of said top prospects for Smid, a 2nd and the rights to Cammalleri?

StrykerSteve · 06-02-2014, 10:02 PM

Nope, which is why I don't think it's going to happen. Quite content with that fourth pick.

FAN · 06-03-2014, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Nope, which is why I don't think it's going to happen. Quite content with that fourth pick.

Will you still be quite content with that fourth pick if there's a guy the Flames really like and know he won't be available at #4?

saXon · 06-03-2014, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FAN

Will you still be quite content with that fourth pick if there's a guy the Flames really like and know he won't be available at #4?

Yeah, because although the Flames' first guy, or maybe even second guy is gone, one of the other two guys are a pretty damn awesome consolation prize.

Honestly, the Flames landed in one of the best spots possible.

SHOGUN · 06-03-2014, 04:16 AM

If I were the Flames, I would be pushing really hard to trade up for the #1 overall. It's rare to have teams who possess the top picks that are open to trade them... I feel the Flames should take advantage of that. Also, defencemen like Ekblad don't grow on trees. It's very difficult in the current market to covet a top pairing defencemen, let alone a young one who has a very high potential. If this means sacrificing some of our forward prospects, I'm all for it. This is going to a very exciting draft that's for sure.

Poe969 · 06-03-2014, 04:38 AM

Anything that can be done to make this team better long term should be done.

FAN · 06-03-2014, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by saXon

Yeah, because although the Flames' first guy, or maybe even second guy is gone, one of the other two guys are a pretty damn awesome consolation prize.

Honestly, the Flames landed in one of the best spots possible.

Is it safe to assume you don't trust Burke and the scouts then? Burke has been pretty good with his high picks. If there is a guy he likes and Burke feels he needs to trade up, Burke is going to try hard to trade up to get him. And given his track record, I am going to trust that Burke knows what he's doing, that's all I am saying. I don't care that the consensus is there is very little between the top 4. 2 or 3 out of the 4 can be busts.