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Saqe · 05-09-2014, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Why do I think FLA will trade down to take Ehlers even @ pick 4? I really do think trading up with FLA could be a real good possibility. An extra asset or two plus Ehlers? I don't even think youd need to sell tallon on the deal.

If Tallon trades down for Ehlers it's going to be for pick 5 or lower IMO. It's pretty obvious that the Flames don't want to draft another small winger and probably would take someone else at #4.

ForeverFlameFan · 05-09-2014, 05:01 PM

Treliving and Burke's perspective is probably Dal Colle > Ehlers as the BPA for the Flames and more of an organizational need. That's if we are planning to pick a LW in the draft.

Rick M. · 05-09-2014, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Treliving and Burke's perspective is probably Dal Colle > Ehlers as the BPA for the Flames and more of an organizational need. That's if we are planning to pick a LW in the draft.

Certainly, he is a couple of inches taller but Ehlers can also play right wing, and I saw him do so. He also is an explosive skater.

Caged Great · 05-09-2014, 05:15 PM

It's one of those things where you could easily go either way

Dal Colle has above average speed, is 2 inches taller and has a lot of raw skill
Ehlers is at least as fast as Poirier, is 6 feet tall, and is more slippery and dynamic than MDC.

Either is a good choice.

Rick M. · 05-09-2014, 05:21 PM

I can't disagree with any of what you say. It would be nice to have that 5th pick!

dammage79 · 05-09-2014, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Saqe

If Tallon trades down for Ehlers it's going to be for pick 5 or lower IMO. It's pretty obvious that the Flames don't want to draft another small winger and probably would take someone else at #4.

I wasn't advocating that the Flames draft Ehlers. Their needs aren't for players like Ehlers. The top four players all meet the varying needs of the Flames. All I'm saying is Ehlers plus some assets isn't that hard of a sell job to FLA and Ehlers getting picked at #4 isn't a stretch if FLA trades down to take him.

Calgary4LIfe · 05-09-2014, 09:06 PM

I think Reinhart absolutely compares to other 1st overall selections very well. Keep in mind that a lot of previous top picks were very offensively-oriented with little thought to their defensive game. Going back and looking at scouting summaries you rarely see a prospect taken within the top 3 of his draft class with 'high defensive acumen' as a strength. Reinhart has out-scored many other notable 1st overalls while maintaining a high regard for the defensive side of the game.

If he was concentrating much more on his offensive abilities, how many more points would he end up getting?

One thing to note when doing comparisons between different players on different teams, and especially in different draft years is how much 'help' they receive from linemates and how good their respective teams are (especially regarding how offensive their respective teams are).

At any rate, I really think Reinhart is underrated when it comes to past drafts. I don't think he is as good as MacKinnon, but I feel he compares very well to everyone else selected between Tavares and MacKinnon - better than some, not as good as some others. Whomever drafts him will end up with a franchise level center as long as his development continues - the kid is really that good.

GoJetsGo · 05-09-2014, 09:24 PM

The closer we get the more I think we're getting one of the Sams with the 4th pick.

I just have a feeling that (if as expected) Eckblad goes first, the Sabres will take one of the Sams. Then Edmonton will be be panic-ed worrying about who we're going to take. I think they'll lean to which ever Sam is remaining... but will worry we'll take Draisaitl leaving us with a one-two punch of Monahan and Draisaitl. Worrying they'll be undersized, they'll take Draisaitl.

That will leave us with one of the Sams and Draisaitl will be an Oiler next season soaking in the losing culture. Call it bias, but I think no matter who Edmonton picks, it will be the wrong choice and whoever falls to us with flourish.

Yoho · 05-10-2014, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

The closer we get the more I think we're getting one of the Sams with the 4th pick.

I just have a feeling that (if as expected) Eckblad goes first, the Sabres will take one of the Sams. Then Edmonton will be be panic-ed worrying about who we're going to take. I think they'll lean to which ever Sam is remaining... but will worry we'll take Draisaitl leaving us with a one-two punch of Monahan and Draisaitl. Worrying they'll be undersized, they'll take Draisaitl.

That will leave us with one of the Sams and Draisaitl will be an Oiler next season soaking in the losing culture. Call it bias, but I think no matter who Edmonton picks, it will be the wrong choice and whoever falls to us with flourish.

I honestly think that Edmonton is aware of this dilemma and will over pay to get the "safe" Ekblad pick so that they can avoid having egg on their face 2014 oil change style.

It just wouldn't be the same at the draft if the Oil didn't have the first overall pick

Caged Great · 05-10-2014, 07:33 PM

Here's a good thing about Dal Colle.

I was having a brief conversation with his father on Twitter and they hope that he'll be coming to Calgary.

So that's good. Always better when the player that you are potentially targeting wants to come here.

djsFlames · 05-10-2014, 07:48 PM

Only chance of us taking Dal Colle at this point is if Reinhart, Ekblad and Bennett are the top 3. Even then, it's likely Leon. But there's a chance that they're not huge on Draisaitl's lack of foot speed, or something. Would love DC here, but I'd still take the center first if the talent and ceiling is comparable.

dammage79 · 05-10-2014, 08:05 PM

An argument could be made I suppose that the Flames could be content with their center depth going into this draft and taking Dal Colle. But then you really need to entertain the Idea that Ehlers could be in the conversation as well.

Poirier on the rw with Ehlers/Dal Colle being centered by Monahan, Backlund, Jankowski, Granlund, Arnold is a very very scary thought for opposing teams.

But really, if Bennett or Reinhardt are sitting on your table come pick time, how do you pass them up over the other two.

I don't know, this draft sure will be entertaining.

nik- · 05-10-2014, 08:11 PM

I just can't see a way management is content with our centers unless all they're looking at is the number of centers. We need top end center badly. The only reason I could see them passing on a skilled center this year is they're sure they'll be bottom 2 next year to get a McDavid or Eichel, and there's no way to know that.

Caged Great · 05-10-2014, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

I just can't see a way management is content with our centers unless all they're looking at is the number of centers. We need top end center badly. The only reason I could see them passing on a skilled center this year is they're sure they'll be bottom 2 next year to get a McDavid or Eichel, and there's no way to know that.

7 of the top 11 next year are C's including 4 of the top 5 if I recall correctly. I think there's a greater feasibility that we might go with a top end winger this year figuring that we'll likely get one of those centers next year. Especially when Strome who is ranked at 5 next year, I might take over Reinhart this year all things being equal.

nik- · 05-10-2014, 08:33 PM

I'd rather we just have to make the decision to move someone to wing.

Hackey · 05-10-2014, 10:16 PM

Exactly. You take the best player available and either make a trade or convert someone to the wing. Our center depth is by no means solidified with the exception of Monahan who I see as our second line center of the future. We still need that stud number one center in my opinion. Trading from a position of strength will make it a lot easier to fill neccesary holes. An abundance of quality prospects at any position will make trades a lot easier.

djsFlames · 05-10-2014, 11:00 PM

Surefire 1/2 centers:

Monahan

Longshot 1/2 centers:

Jankowski

Likely 3rd line centers that may fill in on top 6:

Backlund
Granlund (but may just be pushed to the wing)

Bottom 6 centers:

Arnold
Reinhart
Colborne (betting he stays on RW)
Knight
Jooris

We need more top end centers. Love Dal Colle, but you take the BCA/whoever remains of the top 3 - Bennett, Reinhart, Draisaitl. It's the only way to go for us being that we're guaranteed at least one of them.

nik- · 05-10-2014, 11:01 PM

That's pretty much how I see it too. A whole lot of bottom end.

GoJetsGo · 05-10-2014, 11:16 PM

The best part about whoever falls to us at four is it looks like this as a 1-2 punch down the middle:

Monahan and Reinhart

or

Monahan and Bennett

or

Monahan and Draisaitl

I like the look of any of those pairings moving forward.

Calgary4LIfe · 05-10-2014, 11:18 PM

I would say Granlund can be categorized as a 'longshot 2nd line center' more so than a 3rd, imo.

I do agree that center depth is looking good at the moment, but until they get there, you can't count on it. Draft BPA.

It wasn't long ago that RW and defence was the best depth on the team. Within a few seasons, they became the weakest. Things can change quickly, so the most important thing is to always draft the very possible players regardless of position. You make trades and sign FAs to balance your team when it needs it.