CP Mafia 2 - Town Square Showdown - Game Over

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by devo22

I can understand that reasoning and at this point, there's not much I can say to defend myself. The first vote was primarily gut feeling (really, there wasn't a lot info to go with on day 1) and I was wrong. The second cardflip really surprised me because I was convinced agulati was mafia. Just bad luck to strike out twice and that's why I'm still hesitant with vote #3 today.

I really just want to add that both GGG and kermitology are not on that list for the lone reason that after hmmhmmcamo, they unvoted agulati very late and to me, that strikes me as suspicious. Mafia knew that there were more than enough votes for agulati already and the lynch would still go through if a couple mafiosos unvoted. Great defense when you think about it, isn't it? "Well I knew he was town, I didn't lynch him, I unvoted!"

that's a really interesting theory when you think about it, especially with the light being on Kermit over the last day or so.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

For a guy that was chomping at the bit to join, he is not bring much.....

Yeah, but right now, its not enough to bring him to the forefront yet right? Considering the list of suspicious characters, we really need another mob kill tonight because even with that kill, it was still a 2 to 1 night, and with what 7 mob and 16 townies left we can't really sustain those odds. We need a night where fer sure get a mob ourselves and hope that the Mafia decide to knock down each others numbers or accidentally kill a mafia member.

That first day 4 kill was really harmfull.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

For a guy that was chomping at the bit to join, he is not bring much.....

Yeah I've kinda been **** this game. I'm a little too paranoid this time around. It's a catch 22, you say too much and you get killed, you don't say much and you get killed. Just depends who you want to get killed by lol.

To be fair I've definitely thrown out accusations, and am definitely on board with the activestick, sp theory. Plus, I made it past day 1 this time, so everything after that is gravy!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by devo22

I can understand that reasoning and at this point, there's not much I can say to defend myself. The first vote was primarily gut feeling (really, there wasn't a lot info to go with on day 1) and I was wrong. The second cardflip really surprised me because I was convinced agulati was mafia. Just bad luck to strike out twice and that's why I'm still hesitant with vote #3 today.

I really just want to add that both GGG and kermitology are not on that list for the lone reason that after hmmhmmcamo, they unvoted agulati very late and to me, that strikes me as suspicious. Mafia knew that there were more than enough votes for agulati already and the lynch would still go through if a couple mafiosos unvoted. Great defense when you think about it, isn't it? "Well I knew he was town, I didn't lynch him, I unvoted!"

For me I was late to add to MmmMmmCamo, I was on the transplant99 until mmmmm pulled into the lead and it was time to end the day so I am on that list by following the herd rather than sticking to my original suspicion of the best Ineed pile on to vote for.

As for voting off Agulati I believe we could have gleaned more information by killing someone else regardless of Agulatis affiliation. Also Bizaro's post of targeting people who unvoted tomorrow should at least put some evidence that members who unvoted weren't part of Bizaro's mafia, they still could be part of parkers mafia.

In general I am not sure the list of double voters is a good list to base suspects on unless there is another piece of evidence like not being on one of the lists that bizaro wanted to target that associates well with it. Yesterday also was the perfect day for a mafia memeber to not get involved as the vote was decided early and was a concensous until the end so I am not sure how much info we can get from yesterdays vote.

For today, I could be persuaded to go to Activestick as I believe he implicates or exonerates Strombad, and Legoman and maybe even UCB who is back on is vote of inactivity kick. So if we lynch active stick we get a lot of information no matter how he flips.

I still like starseed though as a first choice for his commitment to follow ineeds lead and he doesn't appear on the any of the lists that bizaro supported voting for.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by GGG

For today, I could be persuaded to go to Activestick as I believe he implicates or exonerates Strombad, and Legoman and maybe even UCB who is back on is vote of inactivity kick. So if we lynch active stick we get a lot of information no matter how he flips.
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Agree that you get a lot of information by lynching me but that's the thing, this doesn't implicate strombad in my view. He's likely town. Look at the followers of his vote I think.

strombad should still be offed at some point though because he'll lead the town on the wrong path - he's just not a good player who thinks he's smarter than he is.

Mafia will want to keep him for how vocal and wrong he is so it's their best move to not night kill him.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Agree that you get a lot of information by lynching me but that's the thing, this doesn't implicate strombad in my view. He's likely town. Look at the followers of his vote I think.

strombad should still be offed at some point though because he'll lead the town on the wrong path - he's just not a good player who thinks he's smarter than he is.

Mafia will want to keep him for how vocal and wrong he is so it's their best move to not night kill him.

What are your thoughts on who to lynch? I have noticed that you haven't posted many accusations out there. Now that we have a mafia card flip who is your leading suspect.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Agree that you get a lot of information by lynching me but that's the thing, this doesn't implicate strombad in my view. He's likely town. Look at the followers of his vote I think.

strombad should still be offed at some point though because he'll lead the town on the wrong path - he's just not a good player who thinks he's smarter than he is.

Mafia will want to keep him for how vocal and wrong he is so it's their best move to not night kill him.

I don't really think I'm all that smart, but at least I'm putting some effort into the game. If you were, you wouldn't be in this predicament.

Oh well, next time right?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Yeah, but right now, its not enough to bring him to the forefront yet right? .

For now yes.


I know GGG hates my "low posters" stance, but really it makes you wonder.....

[Lego Man]

After ActiveStick, I say we go for transplant99.

Go and read his posts. What's the point of having him in the game if he is a townsperson? I think it is highly likely that he is mafia disguised as an inactive townsperson. I still subscribe to the theory that mafia members consistently refer to real life events as excuses.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Lego Man

After ActiveStick, I say we go for transplant99.

Go and read his posts. What's the point of having him in the game if he is a townsperson? I think it is highly likely that he is mafia disguised as an inactive townsperson. I still subscribe to the theory that mafia members consistently refer to real life events as excuses.

But he's the only person here who has a job! Think of his responsibilities!

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by GGG

What are your thoughts on who to lynch? I have noticed that you haven't posted many accusations out there. Now that we have a mafia card flip who is your leading suspect.

Not a whole lot to go off right now, however...

HG15 is someone I suspect. He started this game laying foundation for the inactivity = Mafia lying in the bushes theory and posted a lot about that in the early going. No surprise he is leading in post count. Obviously this doesn't mean that everyone with a high post count is Mafia, but a group of them is probably from the same contingent who decided collectively to post 'enough' and pick off the inactive posters as the reason. This plan was unexpectedly aided by strombad's views and posting style.

[Lego Man]

Originally Posted by strombad

But he's the only person here who has a job! Think of his responsibilities!

zip it assclown!

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Lego Man

zip it assclown!

Hey, he's the only one I unwillingly take guff from, thank you very much.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Not a whole lot to go off right now, however...

HG15 is someone I suspect. He started this game laying foundation for the inactivity = Mafia lying in the bushes theory and posted a lot about that in the early going. No surprise he is leading in post count. Obviously this doesn't mean that everyone with a high post count is Mafia, but a group of them is probably from the same contingent who decided collectively to post 'enough' and pick off the inactive posters as the reason. This plan was unexpectedly aided by strombad's views and posting style.

It seems like you don't even care what is going on in this game. You said before we should be suspicious of the people who lynch Timbo, except Timbo was killed by ineedanother. You also mentioned ineedanother as someone we need to look at, even though he is confirmed town. You don't really add anything of substance, this post probably being the most productive thing you've said all game.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

It seems like you don't even care what is going on in this game. You said before we should be suspicious of the people who lynch Timbo, except Timbo was killed by ineedanother. You also mentioned ineedanother as someone we need to look at, even though he is confirmed town. You don't really add anything of substance, this post probably being the most productive thing you've said all game.

Any thoughts on what I said about you though? I guess you'd rather frame the discuss around / focus on how unproductive I am?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Crazy Bacon Legs

Two townspeople have been lynched so far, and the tally for who voted in favour of those lynchings is as follows:

starseed, Aeneas, devo22, bizaro86, Street pharmacist, Rathji, flameswin, CofR, Baxter Renegade, Hockeyguy15

(Incidentally, I also kind of suspect Street pharmacist, but if he's mafia I think he is most likely a member of the mafia opposite Hockeyguy15. They are both on the dual voting list, but were calling each other out early in the game. Or they were putting on a show to deflect attention.)

I think this is the best we have to go on at the moment. I have not yet decided which one of those to vote for this round, but I guarantee you it will be someone from that list.

I have a very good reason to have voted for both.

1) I'd like to stay in the game longer this time, so someone else going saves my bacon

2) the reasons for anyone to go at this stage are dubious at best, so there's not really any better suspect than the one with the most votes. If you look, I only piled on later, never initiated anything

3) the game needs to move along. We need card flips to have something to go on in the future. Posting styles was all we had to go on and were obviously wrong despite all the "contributions" from posters who had a billion posts. The problem with long days at the beginning is there's a ton of crap to wade back through once we have more info to go on. It would be a very good mafia strategy to post a lot of insinuation to muddy the water and avoid suspicion with all the extra "noise"



I even doubted the suspicion on agulati, but again he was as good a suspect as anyone at this stage. You're simply not going to see anything at this point that would lead you conclusive proof of scum, so why not Nudge the game along a little further and hope for the best?

[Hockeyguy15]

Yep you got me. I did say multiple times that I would be fine with voting people off who were not contributing.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Yep you got me. I did say multiple times that I would be fine with voting people off who were not contributing.

Which I'm fine with too, but only early on as a strategy as long as we use that as a random reason rather than assume mafia guilt as many townies will be contributing less. I could see a Mafia using that as a strategy though early on to hide suspicions and increase the chance of townies getting lynched later on

[GGG]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

For now yes.


I know GGG hates my "low posters" stance, but really it makes you wonder.....

I think that low posters is a bad strategy in this game because it is likely that both mafia groups had a person who played or followed the game last time and saw that not blending in by posting enough caused them to be outed. So no one who played last time who is in the mafia would let their team not post.

Transplant99 seems to be the lowest poster now but really he appears like uninterested / busy townie and not hiding mafia. Even if he is hiding mafia killing him gains us no new info. If we run out of good suspects we can always kill him.

Is active stick a low poster now by definiton? If so I might be on board wiht that one since it gives us new info.

The one low poster I am suspicious of though is Baxter Renegade. Mainly because he changed is style and got more involved by being called out. But even that isn't a great argument now that we have had a card flip.

Day one low poster fine that makes sense, Day 2 with no new info, sure, Day 3 when we have finally got some real info to look at? It definately no longer makes sense. So in my opinion you are promoting bad strategy and therefore go on my list as bad town / pro mafia.

[Lego Man]

I feel that having an opinion in regards to the current low posters will prove to be useful later in the game, and is why I took the screenshot - and am thankful for us having that conversation.

How about CofR? If we are assuming that transplant99 is an uninterested towns-person, CofR has been on his case from the beginning too. CofR has posts that suggest people with really simple accusations and expect people to add on to it.