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[strombad]

Originally Posted by McG

maybe...how about next time you be less of an incompetent moron.

Originally Posted by McG

more name calling? wtf? how about you stop being a dick, seriously.

The irony.
You were being condescending, he called you on it, and you called him a incompetent moron. You're still being condescending, so perhaps it's time you "took 5" and went for a walk.

It's VIDEOGAMES, grow up if you have to preface your point with calling someone an "incompetent moron." As I said, nobody is going to give you the time of day or consider anything you've said when you start off by calling them an "incompetent moron."

Grow up.

[McG]

Following Flameon's excellent post, I remember when Sony bought Columbia and there were reported battles internally that content had to be protected from the hardware. This led to decisions (as Flameon noted) that consumers didn't want.

I remember Walkman devices being everywhere; from waterproof sports ones to ones that were barely bigger than a cassette case.

I seem to remember reading quite a few times that it was Sony that should have developed the MP3 player, not apple, including the apple store. obviously that isn't how it turned out, but Sony had software and hardware and just couldn't bring it all together. it would be a different world in consumer electronics.

I can capture the hope and fear for Sony in a personal experience. I bought a Sony TV on black Friday. beautiful TV and a great price and it came with a sound bar. the quality is so good, and my thoughts about how well integrated it would be with a PS4, that I would consider buying the console at some point. sound bar works well too from a function perspective, and you can tell that they thought about the connections as it is a module that can be changed by market for ease of manufacturing. so far so good. the problem is that the optical cable has to go in at a right angle and the optical cable would have to be bent or a special cable acquired. it's a poor design decision not made with the consumer in mind.

Sony needs to hire some end users to help them get it right beyond consoles.

[McG]

Originally Posted by strombad

The irony.
You were being condescending, he called you on it, and you called him a incompetent moron. You're still being condescending, so perhaps it's time you "took 5" and went for a walk.

It's VIDEOGAMES, grow up if you have to preface your point with calling someone an "incompetent moron." As I said, nobody is going to give you the time of day or consider anything you've said when you start off by calling them an "incompetent moron."

Grow up.

wow. maybe I should end my post by calling you a condescending ass, as was done to me.

are you for real? cDn was wrong and I called it out. you didn't like how I did it? waah waah. I get called names and respond exactly as was put to me regarding quality of post and in exactly the same way; including and especially yours, with your comments "dick, condescending jerk, puh-lease". cDn and I were posting about finance, and so far the subject of yours is anything but that.

3rd man in, attack, attack, attack. you have added literally nothing to the finance conversation, especially as we were more or less finished. shouldn't you step back?

I might suggest to you that you grow up and realize that video games are big business and employ many people and feed many families. while they are considered by some as a toy, the industry is worth billions. at what point should we ensure that facts about something as important as company finances are correct? it is publicly available information and easy to access.

Don't like my reply or me or my posts in general? I would like to invite you to please put me onto your ignore list.

and I am now going outside.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by strombad

If I was cDn, I probably would have stopped reading after that line.

Don't be such a dick, seriously. It's the XBOX. You have to be a condescending jerk towards someone because they got a fact about THE XBOX wrong?

Puh-lease. Girl, you trippin.

cDn posted conjecture as fact, McG called him on it.

cDn then moves the goalposts and says it's not the Xbox Division (as he claimed initially) but that we lose money on Xbox hardware - though he says he has no idea how much per console which makes his initial statement worthless and unfounded; he then calls McG a condescending ass. McG fires back and backed up what he said with sources.

How you place blame on McG and none on cDnStealth is a mystery. *grabs popcorn* Carry on.

[strombad]

It's like watching two children call each other names. McG obviously knows more about the finances of the Xbox division, but he doesn't need to be condescending about it. There's about zero chance that cDn was going to respond well to condescension, so why do it?

Then responding with "incompetent moron" when he gets called out on the way he presented himself?

McG can do whatever he wants, but I hardly think "incompetent moron" was even remotely justified to a guy who got one fact wrong. When dealing with children, you generally teach them that even if someone insults you, that's no reason to insult them back.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

cDn then moves the goalposts and says it's not the Xbox Division (as he claimed initially) but that we lose money on Xbox hardware

It makes sense now.

[TorqueDog]

^ Uh. Welcome to last year, I guess?

Originally Posted by strombad

It's like watching two children call each other names. McG obviously knows more about the finances of the Xbox division, but he doesn't need to be condescending about it. There's about zero chance that cDn was going to respond well to condescension, so why do it?

Then responding with "incompetent moron" when he gets called out on the way he presented himself?

McG can do whatever he wants, but I hardly think "incompetent moron" was even remotely justified to a guy who got one fact wrong. When dealing with children, you generally teach them that even if someone insults you, that's no reason to insult them back.

Why purport to know the finances of a company (or a division of said company) that you have no clue about and haven't bothered to research?

[strombad]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

^ Uh. Welcome to last year, I guess?
Why purport to know the finances of a company (or a division of said company) that you have no clue about and haven't bothered to research?

Perhaps he misheard some information?

Not a great idea on the Internet to share information you're not sure of, but we've all been wrong. Not a big deal.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

The product quality and industrial design was never the issue, they continued making reliable products that looked very good. Issue was they became too premium, too big and too unfocused for a decade making it incredibly hard for them to adapt to changes. They remained focused on making great hardware when other companies were moving to better software and better content, better analytics to achieve results.

From a hardware manufacturer standpoint, other companies continued to improve their production quality while Sony rested on their laurels. Chinese manufacturers severely undercut Sony's profit margins as more and more people adopted their production processes. Other companies were offering similar quality products soon at a lower cost.

Sony's business decision making was inflexible, arrogant and disastrous for nearly a decade ending in the late 2000s. They did not accept the reality that after years of telling the consumer what the consumer wanted, things like propriety designs that made Sony loads of profits, more standards based alternatives that were better designed and cheaper were taking consumer hold. While they still had very cutting edge and innovated industrial design, some of the core ideas built into their products were either off market or they were never given enough attention by business.

Things have changed though, Sony is adapting by shedding it's years and years of bureaucracy. Products are now leaps and bounds more consumer friendly with better polished than they were before. Just look, their cameras use SD cards again! They listened to the consumer building the PS4 and it's a commercial hit winning back a lot of their market share. Their phones, the z/z1 are critically acclaimed and are starting to reverse the huge drops in market share they experienced due to iPhone. AND they've made price reductions to make them competitive again. Question now is where Sony has changed fast enough and whether they have enough cash reserves to make it through the reorganization and streamlining to become an overall successful company again. The gaming division isn't a problem right now since it's been quite profitable, the mobile division is starting to see profits again (it's first in five years). Can other divisions can make the same turnarounds or will they be shed like Sony's PC business? Who knows... but the gaming division will be healthy for at least this generation (5-8 years)

I read an interesting article on how Sony lost the TV market. In the old CRT days Sony was well known for producing some of the best consumer TV's and in those days they controlled the electronic hardware that made up the CRT and if anyone remembers those TV's were big and heavy because they were made of a lot of parts. Now all you need to make an LCD TV is a microprocessor and generic LCD display making it very simple for other companies to make a quality TV for cheap undercutting the Japanese giants like Sony, Panasonic, etc. Samsung for instance was in the early 90's known as a cheap Korean brand but they forged forward trying to grow and improve and the advent of LCD's made it easier for them to go head to head making equivalent LCD TV's for Sony while being able to charge less and eventually surpassed Sony.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by strombad

Perhaps he misheard some information?

Not a great idea on the Internet to share information you're not sure of, but we've all been wrong. Not a big deal.

Dude I agree totally. We've all put our foot in it before. Laugh it off, say "my bad", and move on. There was a thread on here about sunglasses where I made a completely unqualified statement and had Barnet Flame slap me down like a yappy dog. I apologized, accepted that I was wrong, and learned from it.

cDnStealth didn't. He moved the goalposts and came out swinging. [shrug]

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Yep, it's the reason I don't have one yet. The only way I'm getting an Xbox One at $500 is if they offer a free game that I want that isn't Titanfall.

As fate would have it I won an xbox one as a door prize recently, new in box $450 and its yours ($50 off and no tax so you can buy whatever game you want)

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...80#post4753880

Torquedog? its comes with a FREE kinect just imagine what you could do with two of those bad boys...open to trades too

[Blaster86]

Not sure if this has been posted, but Gates will support a move of the Xbox line if the new CEO suggests it.

http://news.yahoo.com/bill-gates-say...171541169.html

[KelVarnsen]

I don't know if anyone else has bought MLB The Show but the digital download was a joke and now the in game downloading/installing is a joke. I might get to play sometime this week.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Not sure if this has been posted, but Gates will support a move of the Xbox line if the new CEO suggests it.

http://news.yahoo.com/bill-gates-say...171541169.html

Non-story; Gates would publicly support Satya if he wanted to do pretty well anything.

Now, to publicly come out and say he wouldn't support his CEO would be a real story.

[gottabekd]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

I don't know if anyone else has bought MLB The Show but the digital download was a joke and now the in game downloading/installing is a joke. I might get to play sometime this week.

Yea, also bought the digital version of MLB 14 The Show. Haven't played a baseball games since NES. There are a dizzying array of options and sliders that I am working my way around. Have hitting and pitching controls that I like, but am clueless when it comes to fielding and baserunning. Wish there was a practice mode for those.

As for the download snafu, I had a minor inconvenience myself. Basically, the game was advertised as being available 12:01 AM EST May 6. They ran into some issues with the release, and was not actually downloadable until about 3:00 PM EST May 6. I was a little disappointed that I was not able to get a quick game in on Monday night, something I had been looking forward to that day. Instead, I had to wait until the next day. Others, who are really into the game, were really upset, and complained loudly.

I must admit that this little snafu would make me think twice about pre-ordering a digital download for a game that I wanted to play the instant it gets released.

Thankfully, Sony acknowledged the issue in a very respectable way. They gave everyone who pre-ordered a $5.00 PSN voucher, and $5.00 worth of in-game currency. I really appreciate them admitting that what happened was unacceptable, rather than letting it slide.

[Erick Estrada]

Good lord when is a decent next gen game going to be introduced next? I've hardly touched my XB1 and PS4 in months. This new gen has been horrible so far IMO.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Good lord when is a decent next gen game going to be introduced next? I've hardly touched my XB1 and PS4 in months. This new gen has been horrible so far IMO.

I agree. 3 of the 4 Xbox1 games I have are available on last gen. Its frustrating.

But...Sunset Overdrive previews are out and it looks outstanding.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/8/5692...nsomniac-games

I think the new gen will start heating up come fall.

I need some NHL 15 next gen.

[Hockeyguy15]

Watch Dogs comes out in a couple weeks. I know it's not strictly next gen, but it will give me a reason to get on the PS4.

[strombad]

That's what happens to early adopters. You have it, but you don't really get to fully utilise it for a year or so.

I bought my PS4 fully aware that I wasn't really going to have anything to play until Spring/Summer at the earliest. I've actually been replaying some tight PS3 games, so I've been just fine.

[SuperMatt18]

I don't think it has been that bad. Sure lots of games were available on the last gen but the next gen games were large improvements for a lot of them.

Fifa 14, NBA 2K14, and The Show 14 were much better experiences on Next Gen that were built from the ground up for the new platform.

Titanfall was pretty good. I enjoyed Dead Rising and Ryse even though they were nothing groundbreaking and had their flaws.

Infamous was really good IMO, Killzone was a decent launch exclusive to show off the PS4 graphical power.

Plus even though they weren't the best Next Gen games Battlefield, COD, Tomb Raider, and AC gave you some filler games to play with improved graphics and some new bells and whistles. Especially if you didn't play them on last gen or and took advantage of the deal that FS/BB had to get some of those games for really cheap.

It does need to be better and the first party exclusives are lacking but I don't think there has really been a shortage of games to play.