Large drug trafficking group busted in Calgary

[Matata]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Can it hurt to have a bust like this? Not really. Did it accomplish anything? Not really. Well it did: Prices might be higher for a while, thus making organized crime more money. But this had a maybe 0.01% effect on drug availability. Getting the guns off the street is a much more meaningful accomplishment here.

Agreed, a small fortune of taxpayers money was used to get guns off the street, note that these guns would never have been there without our current drug laws.

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Good point. If you can't wipe out all of the illegal drugs in one bust, why bother trying at all. I think I'll use this in my next motivational speech. If you can't do your job 100% effectively, don't come in to work today.

My point is that our current drug laws are hypocritical, do more harm than good and celebrating symbolic (and expensive) victories like these is inane.

Originally Posted by mustache ride

Haha that's not even close to true. You must be working for big heroin if you're going to go around saying nonsense like that

Individually, heroine is by far the most dangerous of the two. But overall, alcohol kills more people than heroin.

[mykalberta]

Why do they even bother fighting this anymore. With professional whorring now legal why not just turn a blind eye and if people die from these drugs then just chalk it up to a combination of Darwinism and poor parenting.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

Why do they even bother fighting this anymore. With professional whorring now legal why not just turn a blind eye and if people die from these drugs then just chalk it up to a combination of Darwinism and poor parenting.

That sounds like loads of fun. Why dont you go and move to Detroit and give it a test run?

Be sure to let us know how it goes.

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by Matata

Individually, heroine is by far the most dangerous of the two. But overall, alcohol kills more people than heroin.

Come on now, that is not even remotely a fair comparison.

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by Cheese

The seized drugs include:

• 4.6 kilograms of cocaine with an estimated street value of $460,000
• 115 kilograms of Phenacetin with an estimated street value of $230,000
• 6.5 kilograms of marihuana with an estimated street value of $64,940
• 1.6 kilograms of methamphetamine with an estimated street value of $162,000
• 387 grams of MDMA with an estimated street value of $38,000
• 187 oxycodone pills with an estimated street value of $15,000

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Those dollar values are quite a bit exaggerated. A kilo of coke for $100k? $100 for a gram of MDMA? Yeah right.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

Those dollar values are quite a bit exaggerated. A kilo of coke for $100k? $100 for a gram of MDMA? Yeah right.

As mentioned, I think these are "pure" uncut drugs. The gram of MDMA that your average EDM partier is going to take is probably 85% speed and 15% MDMA.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

As mentioned, I think these are "pure" uncut drugs. The gram of MDMA that your average EDM partier is going to take is probably 85% speed and 15% MDMA.

Cause speed is cheaper?

If your cutting one drug with another your not changing cost that much. Generally people cut drugs with filler not other drugs.

The original comment stands. Elevated values for the story. But drug busts always report like that.

Also the amounts dwindle over time. Drugs arent dangerous anymore in the evidence locker.

[prime333]

Just legalized it already prohibition is based on lies and disinformation.

[AMG_G]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Vietnamese drug trafficking gang from Vancouver. Sounds about right. When I used to do legal research and was bored, I'd go read the drug bust cases in the court system. The names, the items recovered etc. were always similar to this (except for the AK-47).

I know a few Vietnamese guys that came over as refugees in the early 80's. Tried working as cleaners in downtown office buildings for $4/hour but that got old pretty fast. Then they realized how easy it is to set up a growop and how little the consequences are if caught....they really have nothing to lose because anything is better than what they came from. If they are smart about it, they get in get out after they make their money in a few years. How else can these guys who can't speak a lick of English be driving around in 100k cars and living in huge homes....hrmmm.

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Cause speed is cheaper?

I am assuming the 115 kilos of Phenacetin they found might have something to do with that

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Cause speed is cheaper?

If your cutting one drug with another your not changing cost that much. Generally people cut drugs with filler not other drugs.

The original comment stands. Elevated values for the story. But drug busts always report like that.

Also the amounts dwindle over time. Drugs arent dangerous anymore in the evidence locker.

Apparently. I went to a rave safe thing at UofC, that's what the RCMP guy said. This when E was new and exciting (early 2ks), he said most E is speed and rat poison.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Apparently. I went to a rave safe thing at UofC, that's what the RCMP guy said. This when E was new and exciting (early 2ks), he said most E is speed and rat poison.

I agree there is a lot of filler in street drugs. Often really nasty stuff. I also agree that most street Ecstacy is more speed than MDMA.

However it doesn't make your first point. Your confusing purity and value. You generally don't cut one drug with another, and if you do, its not generally for cost. You cut it with baking soda or nutmeg or something.

Also 'RCMP guys' are not great sources of information. Often even more biased to the situation perpetuating the same war on drugs myths we've heard forever either knowingly or unknowingly.

Hi NSA!

[fundmark19]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I agree there is a lot of filler in street drugs. Often really nasty stuff. I also agree that most street Ecstacy is more speed than MDMA.

However it doesn't make your first point. Your confusing purity and value. You generally don't cut one drug with another, and if you do, its not generally for cost. You cut it with baking soda or nutmeg or something.

Also 'RCMP guys' are not great sources of information. Often even more biased to the situation perpetuating the same war on drugs myths we've heard forever either knowingly or unknowingly.

Hi NSA!

What if these dealers were selling "Molly" and not e. Isn't "Molly" supposed to be pure MDMA

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by fundmark19

What if these dealers were selling "Molly" and not e. Isn't "Molly" supposed to be pure MDMA

Ecstacy is (is supposed to be) MDMA. Often its impure though. For a multitude of reasons but even because a lot of club goers WANT speed in their pills.

Molly is just anothet name for the street drug commonly known as Ecstacy based on MDMA but largely impure. No difference. Its not a different mix or type.

[Nage Waza]

Busts like this simply decrease supply, which increases demand, which increases price, which motivates more people to get into the business of dealing drugs. Those with supply can now sell for a higher price. All of this creates inflation for the product.
Vicious circle that will only be resolved by lowering the price.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

Why do they even bother fighting this anymore. With professional whorring now legal why not just turn a blind eye and if people die from these drugs then just chalk it up to a combination of Darwinism and poor parenting.

So we leave it alone, more people become addicts, become unemployed and sleep on the streets. To fuel their addictions, they resort to a life of crime. Yah, that sounds like a pretty swell place to live.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

So we leave it alone, more people become addicts, become unemployed and sleep on the streets. To fuel their addictions, they resort to a life of crime. Yah, that sounds like a pretty swell place to live.

The ties between legality and usage are very limited (at least according to the studies I've read, in most cases legalization leads to decreased usage). Do you have any data that backs up this point of view?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

So we leave it alone, more people become addicts, become unemployed and sleep on the streets. To fuel their addictions, they resort to a life of crime. Yah, that sounds like a pretty swell place to live.

So to follow your logic...

Everyone who tries or does a drug becomes an addict.
All addicts leave their jobs and resort to crime.
We all die, the end.

Panic!!!


I'm not advocating drug use. But the discussion is true. 1 million dollars towards education and treatment will always be more effective than 1 million dollars in enforcement and punishment.

And yes, all the police really did today was make rival gangs richer. They didn't stop the flow of drugs, they didn't prevent anyone from experimenting...

And they definitely didn't help any addicts or keep anyone from a life of drug fueled poverty.

I am glad they got the guns though. I'll give em that one.

Originally Posted by Daradon

So to follow your logic...

Everyone who tries or does a drug becomes an addict.
All addicts leave their jobs and resort to crime.
We all die, the end.

Panic!!!


I'm not advocating drug use. But the discussion is true. 1 million dollars towards education and treatment will always be more effective than 1 million dollars in enforcement and punishment.

And yes, all the police really did today was make rival gangs richer. They didn't stop the flow of drugs, they didn't prevent anyone from experimenting...

And they definitely didn't help any addicts or keep anyone from a life of drug fueled poverty.

I am glad they got the guns though. I'll give em that one.

So through this whole discussion, no one has proposed a solution.

Should society just give up? Forget its happening? Completely halt enforcement?

So I am all ears- lets hear the ideas.

P.S. The highlighted part. What are you basing this opinion on?

[jayswin]

^^^^^^^^

This guy knows how it works!

Whoops, that was for Daradon's post.




Bent Wookie; Whether you agree or not, he did kind of offer a solution in saying "1 million dollars towards education and treatment will always be more effective than 1 million dollars in enforcement and punishment."

And I agree with that. Got nothing in front of me right now, but I've read studies in the past that have pointed to this being the case.