Rafael Araujo Traded - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Dion_Iggy_Kipper!!! · 06-08-2006, 08:53 PM

New GM Colangelo traded Rafael to the Jazz for forward Kris Humphries and centre Robert Whaley.

http://www.tsn.ca/nba/news_story/?ID=168231&hubname=

To bad, I know he wasn't producing but for some reason I liked him. Oh well, maybe Kris and Robert will produce alot for the Raptors this season.

moon · 06-08-2006, 09:13 PM

The fact that they got rid of him was a great move in itself the fact that they got something back and maybe something that could actually contribute is a bonus.

Although Humphries is another PF and I think it is well known that they have plenty of young PF's. Not sure why they felt they needed another one.

Oh well Araujo is gone I am happy enough just knowing that.

I_H8_Crawford · 06-08-2006, 10:13 PM

Good riddance - I'm amazed they got something for that POS outside of some used practice socks.

Pagal4321 · 06-08-2006, 10:30 PM

I too am surprised that they got value for this guy.
He was pretty much useless there.

flames_1987 · 06-08-2006, 11:06 PM

Humprhies does actually have some real talent in him,Utah was the only team in the NBA willing to give something up for him since he was such a big name in his college years there in Utah. Arujo just had to go, the fans hated him and for good reason. The guy was shooting the ball at 36 percent and his 3 points a night got old quick.

octothorp · 06-09-2006, 12:02 AM

I think the new guys are kinda like Eric and Aaron Williams v. 2.0. Big bodies that will spend a lot of time on the bench. Hoffa could at least eat minutes at center, I'm not sure Whaley can even do that. And Humphries is an awful shot but has a bit of skill, but he's so far down the depth chart that he will hardly see the court. Basically, the Raptors took a position that they're already weak at, and got weaker. I'm not saying this is a bad move, because I don't think it was ever intended as more than a way to free room for other moves: either Colangelo will draft a center (maybe he feels Aldridge can play C, or trade down for someone like Bryant), or trade the pick for a center (and likely another pick). Personally, I'm hoping for Aldridge.

flames_1987 · 06-09-2006, 12:13 AM

Mentally it has enough merit alone to be a good trade. There would've been a cloud over Arujo's head all year once again and the booing would only countinue.

Both Humpries and Whaley have contracts expiring at the end of this year and combined they still make less then Arujo. Whaley=Arujo so no drop off in talent there, and then you add Humprhies who has shown he can play in this league.

BC has a way of bringing in guys like Humprhies who do have obvious talent but have yet to really reach there potential. Boris Diaw anyone?

flames_1987 · 06-09-2006, 06:56 AM

Also included in the deal was former Utah second-round pick Robert Whaley. However, he was put in the trade simply to make it work financially under the league's arcane salary cap rules and will be waived as soon as the deal is officially approved by the NBA.

Not like we needed him anyways

StrayBullet · 06-09-2006, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

Although Humphries is another PF and I think it is well known that they have plenty of young PF's. Not sure why they felt they needed another one.

"Another PF"?? Okay... if you think having just Charlie Villaneuva as an inside presence on this team is efficent from progress on this team, you're kidding yourself. Colangelo is looking for more inside help. What they don't need is more guard-forward, "tweeners".

...however, you're right that it's a blessing that he's gone. Araujo constantly turned the ball over, was a reliability on defence and never showed that he had any promise. Being a big man in the league is a heavy load because of the lack of pure talent. He didn't have any.

moon · 06-09-2006, 09:26 AM

I think Villenueva is much more of a PF than a SF. I have seen him victimized too many times by quicker legit SF's to believe the hype that he can play SF.

Bosh is a PF and is still young. Bonner is a PF and young. So now you add Humphries into the mix and I don't necessarily see a ton of minutes for him.

And I don't think having Villenueva on tis team and effiecient or progress shoudl be in the same sentence. That is the guy they should move right now before people realise he is not nearly as good as people make him out to be and that he is at best a decent sixth man.

moon · 06-09-2006, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by octothorp

Basically, the Raptors took a position that they're already weak at, and got weaker.

I don't think there was any way that they could get weaker at Center. I think just by losing Araujo off the roster they are better at Center.

I could come in grab one or two lucky rebounds a game, foul five guys in six minutes and take ugly shots that go off the rim. Plus when I was getting pushed around like a rag doll playing matador defense at least it would be because I am 5'7 and weigh less than 200 lbs.

CaramonLS · 06-09-2006, 09:55 AM

I beleive along with some other teams, the Raptors will be targetting Pryzbilla this off season (he is an FA), who IMO is a really good, talented defender at center, and a good rebounder.

He wont score much, but with this team, you've got all the scoring you need at the other positions.

Defense is what we need, and if 7'2 Pryzbilla comes here, it allows Bosh to defend PFs instead of Cs, which he is better suited for, CV to defend SFs which he has the quickness to do, along with a massive height advantage.

StrayBullet · 06-09-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

I think Villenueva is much more of a PF than a SF. I have seen him victimized too many times by quicker legit SF's to believe the hype that he can play SF.

Bosh is a PF and is still young. Bonner is a PF and young. So now you add Humphries into the mix and I don't necessarily see a ton of minutes for him.

And I don't think having Villenueva on tis team and effiecient or progress shoudl be in the same sentence. That is the guy they should move right now before people realise he is not nearly as good as people make him out to be and that he is at best a decent sixth man.

I never said Charlie was a small forward... I said that if he was all this team needed, you're kidding yourself. We agree that he's not enough for inside presence, but this team is lacking in talent and simply, players who can play in the league. Chris Bosh and Matt Bonner may indeed be powers, again, with their lack of true centers, they're playing the 5 spot.

Now, I'm not a big Charlie Villanueva fan, but I think he played decent for a rookie this past season. Sure, there's no pressure, no double-teams and the focal point of the offence is on Bosh, but trading him away so quickly would be a mistake for the growth of the team. If he's a 'decent 6th man', then why trade him away when the team not only has a lack of power forwards, but depth as well?

StrayBullet · 06-09-2006, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I beleive along with some other teams, the Raptors will be targetting Pryzbilla this off season (he is an FA), who IMO is a really good, talented defender at center, and a good rebounder.

He wont score much, but with this team, you've got all the scoring you need at the other positions.

Defense is what we need, and if 7'2 Pryzbilla comes here, it allows Bosh to defend PFs instead of Cs, which he is better suited for, CV to defend SFs which he has the quickness to do, along with a massive height advantage.

The NBA rumour mill has Toronto trying to get Nene.

moon · 06-09-2006, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by StrayBullet

Now, I'm not a big Charlie Villanueva fan, but I think he played decent for a rookie this past season. Sure, there's no pressure, no double-teams and the focal point of the offence is on Bosh, but trading him away so quickly would be a mistake for the growth of the team. If he's a 'decent 6th man', then why trade him away when the team not only has a lack of power forwards, but depth as well?

Trade him away to get a Center or point guard is why I would trade him. I doubt his trade value will ever be higher than it is now. Plus I still think he plays the same position as Bosh and the same position as the guys that are at the top of the draft. If you can trade him or package him to get a solid Center or Point Guard and then address the other need in the draft or through FA then I think they should do it. The best thign for him right now is his upside and once it is shown that he may not reach that he will not be worth nearly as much.

StrayBullet · 06-09-2006, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

Trade him away to get a Center or point guard is why I would trade him. I doubt his trade value will ever be higher than it is now. Plus I still think he plays the same position as Bosh and the same position as the guys that are at the top of the draft. If you can trade him or package him to get a solid Center or Point Guard and then address the other need in the draft or through FA then I think they should do it. The best thign for him right now is his upside and once it is shown that he may not reach that he will not be worth nearly as much.

Yes... they need a center. ...and, yes... they need a pure-point guard. I think Colangelo is looking to move the #1 pick waaaaaay before looking to move Charlie Villanueva. I think you're overrating his trade value. Even in a package, you're not going to get much for him. He made the Rookie game and Rookie All-Star Team, but it ain't like he's turning heads. Again, he's just finished his rookie season and there's definetly some upside to him. You have to have some foundation. He's a part of that.

moon · 06-09-2006, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by StrayBullet

Yes... they need a center. ...and, yes... they need a pure-point guard. I think Colangelo is looking to move the #1 pick waaaaaay before looking to move Charlie Villanueva. I think you're overrating his trade value. Even in a package, you're not going to get much for him. He made the Rookie game and Rookie All-Star Team, but it ain't like he's turning heads. Again, he's just finished his rookie season and there's definetly some upside to him. You have to have some foundation. He's a part of that.

I was thinking they would possibly package Villenueva with the first pick in order to fill one/some of their needs.

I don't think that Villinueva is necessarily going to get you an all-star quality center but he can easily get you a decent center from a team with cap issues and that is looking for an athletic youngster with upside.

I think that Colangelo is definately going to do something either with CV or with the pick because I don;t see him picking one of the guards with the first pick and don't see the other guys fitting in on this team with both Bosh and CV already playing the 3/4.

StrayBullet · 06-09-2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

I was thinking they would possibly package Villenueva with the first pick in order to fill one/some of their needs.

I don't think that Villinueva is necessarily going to get you an all-star quality center but he can easily get you a decent center from a team with cap issues and that is looking for an athletic youngster with upside.

I think that Colangelo is definately going to do something either with CV or with the pick because I don;t see him picking one of the guards with the first pick and don't see the other guys fitting in on this team with both Bosh and CV already playing the 3/4.

If you can name me one "quality center" that is available from a team with or without cap issues... (that's looking for a young 'tweener' because they don't already have enough) let Bryan Colangelo know.
I've already mentioned that they're trying to get Nene. I don't think Denver wants anything to do with Charlie, so try another. They're going to go as far as they can without having to make a pick. I agree that no one in the draft is going to fit this team because with exception to Rudy Gay, the players available are raw and just not ready to play starting roles.

flames_1987 · 06-09-2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by StrayBullet

If you can name me one "quality center" that is available from a team with or without cap issues... (that's looking for a young 'tweener' because they don't already have enough) let Bryan Colangelo know.
I've already mentioned that they're trying to get Nene. I don't think Denver wants anything to do with Charlie, so try another. They're going to go as far as they can without having to make a pick. I agree that no one in the draft is going to fit this team because with exception to Rudy Gay, the players available are raw and just not ready to play starting roles.

Although he may not have as much potential as the other draft candidates, Morrison could defintley step in and start for a team and average close to 16-20 points a night

StrayBullet · 06-09-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by flames_1987

Although he may not have as much potential as the other draft candidates, Morrison could defintley step in and start for a team and average close to 16-20 points a night

Start? ....average close to 16-20 points???

...yea, for Atlanta or Portland. ...and even then, if he were on Atlanta or Portland, he'd have to get the ball from Big Zach or Darius Miles.. which isn't happening. Same story in Atlanta.