Darryl Sutter: The best coach in the NHL?

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

That very good team wasn't a very good team when he took over or they sure weren't playing like a good team.

There are a lot of variables. LA didn't have Carter, Richards, or Sutter before they made any noise.

Ken Hitchcock is another top coach. The Blues had a worse record than the Flames before he turned that team around.

Chicago was pretty stacked before they canned Savard and brought in Q.

I also think Alain Vigneault could make a case for top 5.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by jroc

I know coaches seem to have a short shelf life, but this is a ridiculous statement.

2012- Stanley Cup Champs
2013- Western Conference Final
2014- 1st round exit....

You think the guy would deserve one freebie for the prior 2 years of success, no?

One would think... we should ask Terry Crisp.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jroc

I know coaches seem to have a short shelf life, but this is a ridiculous statement.

2012- Stanley Cup Champs
2013- Western Conference Final
2014- 1st round exit....

You think the guy would deserve one freebie for the prior 2 years of success, no?

well I didn't just make it up, if you have been watching TSN or Sportsnet lately there was lots of talk he might be on the way out had they lost a short series

guess you missed that, they talked about it on the fan 960 for about an hour last week

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Fell ass backwards? Dean Lombardi has a ton of respect for Darryl and thought he'd be a good fit. How is that falling ass backwards?

after how he left the Flames he sure got a nice lineup to work with in LA


look I also said he was one of the best coaches, just had lots go his way in LA. Really if the Flames didn't play like ass down the stretch LA would have missed the playoffs and Lombardi/Daryl would have been canned

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

There are a lot of variables. LA didn't have Carter, Richards, or Sutter before they made any noise.

Ken Hitchcock is another top coach. The Blues had a worse record than the Flames before he turned that team around.

Chicago was pretty stacked before they canned Savard and brought in Q.

I also think Alain Vigneault could make a case for top 5.

AV? What?

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

AV? What?

Yeah, he's more in the top 10 I guess. Top 5 is generous.

I'd say

1) Babcock
2) Q
3) Darryl
4) Julien
5) Tippett/Boudreau/Hitch

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

There are a lot of variables. LA didn't have Carter, Richards, or Sutter before they made any noise.

Ken Hitchcock is another top coach. The Blues had a worse record than the Flames before he turned that team around.

Chicago was pretty stacked before they canned Savard and brought in Q.

I also think Alain Vigneault could make a case for top 5.

Didn't the Kings have Carter and Richards when their old coach was fired?

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

after how he left the Flames he sure got a nice lineup to work with in LA


look I also said he was one of the best coaches, just had lots go his way in LA. Really if the Flames didn't play like ass down the stretch LA would have missed the playoffs and Lombardi/Daryl would have been canned

As I've said before, there's been a million coaches with even sexier rosters who couldn't bust through the first round, let alone grab a cup. If we judge them, we have to give credit where it is due, this is a tough league.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Didn't the Kings have Carter and Richards when their old coach was fired?

They did, just 29 games though.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I think he is one of the better coaches but he also fell ass backwards into a very good team especially goal tending and D

No way. LA sought him out mid-season to take a talented team over the top. Nothing ass backwards about it.

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's one of the best in the game but he's got a shorter shelf life than some of the greats. His style of coaching is taxing on the players physically and mentally. He's the perfect guy to take a team over the top as he did with the Kings but at the same time he could also walk into Edmonton and whip those self entitled losers up north into a real hockey team.

I disagree with the bolded text. Sutter's shortest stay was three years in Chicago in his first job. He coached the Flames for 3 seasons, but the lockout was during that period so three doesn't quite cover it. He also replaced himself as coach in Calgary, so I don't know why people would assume he lost the room. He lasted 6 seasons in San Jose, which is a pretty lengthy run.

He has now won the cup with LA. He has never missed the playoffs when coaching the season start to finish.

I would say he is clearly better than Barry Trotz and Lindy Ruff, who are some of the longest lasting coaches.

Great coach, wish he stuck to it here.

Originally Posted by dino7c

after how he left the Flames he sure got a nice lineup to work with in LA


look I also said he was one of the best coaches, just had lots go his way in LA. Really if the Flames didn't play like ass down the stretch LA would have missed the playoffs and Lombardi/Daryl would have been canned

What? LA finished 11 points clear of 9th.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

after how he left the Flames he sure got a nice lineup to work with in LA
look I also said he was one of the best coaches, just had lots go his way in LA. Really if the Flames didn't play like ass down the stretch LA would have missed the playoffs and Lombardi/Daryl would have been canned

This is just another tired /tellingitlikeitis line of thinking

He left the Flames being fired as a general manager. He was always a good coach.

That LA squad was disjointed and and not playing like a team when he took them over. There was talent, sure. But there are a LOT of talented teams. He deserves a ton of credit for the job he's done coaching them and that doesn't need to be predicated with the wet blanket spin

[blankall]

Great coach...needs a solid GM though. If only we'd picked up Burke to be our GM with Darryl as coach. A reverse Phaneuf trade and we'd have been contenders.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by dino7c

when they were down 3-0 they were talking about it all over the place (tsn, sportsnet, fan 960) Has Daryl has warn out his welcome ect. and thinking he may be fired

just funny a few days later the tone is very different

I think he is one of the better coaches but he also fell ass backwards into a very good team especially goal tending and D

He fell into nothing. He was given an opportunity to coach a struggling and underachieving team because of his resume and pedigree as a coach, and he turned that underachieving bunch into cup champions.

While I don't disagree, he has a very talented team, it's not like that roster is heads and tails above any team in this league. They are very good, but Sutter makes them much better. You don't win a cup with a bunch of clowns, but also don't win a cup without a good coach either, so why would you hold that against him?

All coaches eventually ware out their welcome (at least any that have success), not sure how much longer Sutter has with that group, but based on the past few games, might be a little while longer.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

No way. LA sought him out mid-season to take a talented team over the top. Nothing ass backwards about it.



I disagree with the bolded text. Sutter's shortest stay was three years in Chicago in his first job. He coached the Flames for 3 seasons, but the lockout was during that period so three doesn't quite cover it. He also replaced himself as coach in Calgary, so I don't know why people would assume he lost the room. He lasted 6 seasons in San Jose, which is a pretty lengthy run.

He has now won the cup with LA. He has never missed the playoffs when coaching the season start to finish.

I would say he is clearly better than Barry Trotz and Lindy Ruff, who are some of the longest lasting coaches.

Great coach, wish he stuck to it here.



What? LA finished 11 points clear of 9th.

try 5 points

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

This is just another tired /tellingitlikeitis line of thinking

He left the Flames being fired as a general manager. He was always a good coach.

That LA squad was disjointed and and not playing like a team when he took them over. There was talent, sure. But there are a LOT of talented teams. He deserves a ton of credit for the job he's done coaching them and that doesn't need to be predicated with the wet blanket spin

lol I already said he is one of the best coaches in the NHL

fact is they made the playoffs by 5 points ahead of the Flames who blew a ton of games (and didn't win a shootout, blew a 5-0 lead) if they had missed the GM would have been fired so likely Daryl too

all the major sports shows where saying they are hearing whispers he may be fired last week

I was just commenting on how fickle things are, one week you are a bum and the next you are a hero

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by dino7c

try 5 points

Oh, I thought you were talking about this season. Still, they didn't miss the playoffs and they did win the Stanley Cup. Doesn't that just cement him further as an amazing playoff coach?

[Dion]

Babcock would be the guy i'd want coaching my team.

[kn]

Babcock, Q, Darryl, Hitch, Tippett would be my top five. Babcock is a step above everyone though.

Is Roy simply lucky with what he's done with the Avs or is he a good coach? He certainly put his time in in junior.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

Oh, I thought you were talking about this season. Still, they didn't miss the playoffs and they did win the Stanley Cup. Doesn't that just cement him further as an amazing playoff coach?

not sure how many times I can say he is one of the best coaches in the NHL

just commenting on how fickle the profession is, Flames win a couple games and a shootout in 2012 and Daryl Sutter is likely fired and with stanley cup

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by dino7c

not sure how many times I can say he is one of the best coaches in the NHL

just commenting on how fickle the profession is, Flames win a couple games and a shootout in 2012 and Daryl Sutter is likely fired and with stanley cup

Dude you do realize he was brought in mid-season and had one of the best records in the NHL while he was the coach and they went from being out of a playoff spot to making the playoffs and winning the cup. You think if they missed the playoffs (which wouldn't have been far fetched considering they were really struggling before he came in) he would have been fired after 49 games?