Do employers have access to your work history?

[pylon]

As commissioner of the CP morality police, my ruling on this is you're OK.

I think all employers realize that people have a few onsies and twosies where they don't report small stints that didn't work out. Personally I have been with the same company for 15 years, with a short 3 month stint at the 5 year mark at a competitor that didn't work out, and I returned. Going forward, I wouldn't even bother mentioning it.

You can quote me for prosperity and for all intensive purposes.

[Travis Munroe]

After reading the first sentence about lying I was expecting " I told them I had a degree and I really don't"
No problems ahead... good luck with the new job!

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

Solid move by Dunnigan. I'm sure at one point we thought the key in that trade was, now released, Romero Miller. That made a bunch of us look like monkey's now. He's been our best playerthis year. Solid move bt Matt.

No. Absolutely not


Edit: wtf did tapatalk quote??

[pylon]

I know, Dunnigan is savvy managing his roster. I'm regularly a victim of his shrewd moves.

[calf]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Thanks for this. It's definitely not a government job, but it's with a large multinational corporation that also has hired a company called HireRight to do a background check. Does anyone have experience dealing with those guys?

Our HR group uses a firm similar to them...it's a criminal background check & depending on your job, a credit check. If you hear nothing, you're good to go.

They might also do a reference check if you've provided them...so you're good assuming you didn't provide the boss of your 2 month job as a reference.

[terminator]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Yep, we don't have access to those records.

But just keep in mind, if you want to pad up time you've worked at a previous employer, and try to use them as a reference, you might get burned.

I know in my reference checks, I always make sure the dates of employment stated on the resume add up.

What else do u ask during a reference check?

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by terminator

What else do u ask during a reference check?

Lots of stuff to make sure your story matches up.

So basically why you left the company (make sure the reasons for departure are consistent). I ask about work habits, how much time off you take, overall attendance, how do you get along with co-workers, what they feel your strongest assets are, what areas you need to improve upon the most, what your potential is, if you feel they would be a good fit for the position they are applying for and if they would ever rehire you and usually ask if there is anything else they want to disclose about you.

Usually I have a pretty good feeling already of what I expect your references to say about you after the interview.

If I do check your references, it means I am probably offering you a position, I do it to confirm a lot of what you said and as just that final hurdle.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Lots of stuff to make sure your story matches up.

So basically why you left the company (make sure the reasons for departure are consistent). I ask about work habits, how much time off you take, overall attendance, how do you get along with co-workers, what they feel your strongest assets are, what areas you need to improve upon the most, what your potential is, if you feel they would be a good fit for the position they are applying for and if they would ever rehire you and usually ask if there is anything else they want to disclose about you.

Usually I have a pretty good feeling already of what I expect your references to say about you after the interview.

If I do check your references, it means I am probably offering you a position, I do it to confirm a lot of what you said and as just that final hurdle.

What if someone got fired from a job they worked for for a long time. Do you usually put a big red x on their application immidiately? Do people use references from that job or are they simply hooped?

I always wondered how you can find a job after having a job with the same company for twenty years and getting canned.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

What if someone got fired from a job they worked for for a long time. Do you usually put a big red x on their application immidiately? Do people use references from that job or are they simply hooped?

I always wondered how you can find a job after having a job with the same company for twenty years and getting canned.

Some recruiters are lazy and don't check references. Other people can network really well and avoid the reference check all together - basically if they know someone in a specific department, they can finagle their way into it.

I can probably count the number of times someone has told me they got fired from a job, it isn't very often. Anyone who has told me they were fired, I've never hired, usually because people who generally come out and say that usually aren't all there. I would say a lot of people lie about it.

For example, say you worked at a company that you actually got fired from and one of your references for a new job was your "supervisor" and you give me his cell phone or maybe his work line doesn't have a position title.

Can I really be 100% sure he isn't your co-worker? Coach him up and you'll be good to go.

I'm sure people have pulled that stuff before, it is harder with things like LinkedIn now, but it still can be done pretty easily. Most recruiters probably wouldn't even attempt to verify a reference like I described.

[Ahuch]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Some recruiters are lazy and don't check references. Other people can network really well and avoid the reference check all together - basically if they know someone in a specific department, they can finagle their way into it.

I can probably count the number of times someone has told me they got fired from a job, it isn't very often. Anyone who has told me they were fired, I've never hired, usually because people who generally come out and say that usually aren't all there. I would say a lot of people lie about it.

For example, say you worked at a company that you actually got fired from and one of your references for a new job was your "supervisor" and you give me his cell phone or maybe his work line doesn't have a position title.

Can I really be 100% sure he isn't your co-worker? Coach him up and you'll be good to go.

I'm sure people have pulled that stuff before, it is harder with things like LinkedIn now, but it still can be done pretty easily. Most recruiters probably wouldn't even attempt to verify a reference like I described.

So you would never hire someone who is honest about having been fired?

#### happens. It takes balls to tell someone that in an interview, though.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

I always wondered how you can find a job after having a job with the same company for twenty years and getting canned.

It happens a lot in this town... long time employees working and doing a good job. Said company gets bought, people are deemed surplus. Or some management type comes into power with a "change" agenda and bounces said long term employees as they're seen as "old guard". Exhibit A is CP Rail in Calgary...

It's common in Calgary... almost a mark of pride given the payouts involved sometimes.

[Wormius]

I know its minor, but I think I would have just left the gap and not padded it to the previous company. It's always one of those things that could haunt you later, if your new employer decides to be a prick.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Ahuch

So you would never hire someone who is honest about having been fired?

#### happens. It takes balls to tell someone that in an interview, though.

Not saying I wouldn't, but if you were fired, there is probably a good chance you don't make it to number one on the list. You'd really have to excel in other areas, especially if you are up against heavier competition.

Also depends on the reason too. There is some stuff like theft I would have zero tolerance for. As I mentioned above, most of the people who've told me they have been fired usually have other issues piled on top of it, or a clear pattern of behavior that shows in their work history.

In interviews I have close to zero tolerance for those who blame others. I've had interviews where they blamed their last 3 employers for creating toxic work environments or they are all 'terrible supervisors'. Yeah, you can have those on occasion, but the most common denominator is you.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

It happens a lot in this town... long time employees working and doing a good job. Said company gets bought, people are deemed surplus. Or some management type comes into power with a "change" agenda and bounces said long term employees as they're seen as "old guard". Exhibit A is CP Rail in Calgary...

It's common in Calgary... almost a mark of pride given the payouts involved sometimes.

That isn't quite the same thing. Layoffs are perfectly normal and I would never hold that against someone. Getting fired is not.

[Cuz]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Not saying I wouldn't, but if you were fired, there is probably a good chance you don't make it to number one on the list. You'd really have to excel in other areas, especially if you are up against heavier competition.

Also depends on the reason too. There is some stuff like theft I would have zero tolerance for. As I mentioned above, most of the people who've told me they have been fired usually have other issues piled on top of it, or a clear pattern of behavior that shows in their work history.

In interviews I have close to zero tolerance for those who blame others. I've had interviews where they blamed their last 3 employers for creating toxic work environments or they are all 'terrible supervisors'. Yeah, you can have those on occasion, but the most common denominator is you.

I'm just curious, how do you feel about someone who was let go because they weren't a good fit for the position?

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

That isn't quite the same thing. Layoffs are perfectly normal and I would never hold that against someone. Getting fired is not.

Depends on the reason why you got fired. Shaw fired me primarily because I was a distraction, trying to get work approved for my team that my department didn't care about. As well as being fed up with the leadership's high school behaviour in regards to leading the department.

Word of my termination made it's way around the company and people started to wonder if there were big layoffs coming because it made no sense why I was let go.

My termination directly resulted in me getting two jobs. My current one from the first person not firing me to find out I got fired.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Cuz

I'm just curious, how do you feel about someone who was let go because they weren't a good fit for the position?

Probably wouldn't be too big of a deal if I was able to have a nice chat with your former supervisor.

Again, depends on the situation. Were you not a fit because you misrepresented yourself in the interview?

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

That isn't quite the same thing. Layoffs are perfectly normal and I would never hold that against someone. Getting fired is not.

So... laid off = OK but fired = bad? Is it really that simple? How do you define fired and laid off?

It's never that cut and dried in corporations, and I would hope you realize the definition depends on who you ask. A generic example you see often in corporations:

Employee: "The new processes mandated by management put customer relationships at risk, threatened the integrity of data, and had my staff in tears. In repeated meetings I voiced my concerns about all of the above"

Manager: "We have an agenda to change and streamline this corporation. The Employee was resistant to changes proposed and is not supportive of the change agenda, threatening its overall success and the new environment. As such we have terminated them".

Fired? Laid off? Kinda fuzzy. Agreed - there are obvious definations of fired - absenteeism, violent or threatening behavior, etc etc. The other 80% isn't so easy.

Chances are you won't get to talk to their immediate supervisor. Using your "contacts" usually gets you one version of the above, and not the other.

[Wormius]

Not to mention that most employers, even if they fired an employee that didn't fit the role, would just say they were laid off.

Unless the employer was a jerk, or the firing was for something criminal or particularly bad.

[stampsx2]

Gotta say that really stinks. Get a supervisor that sucked his way up to the top but doesn't like the color of shirt your wearing or wants to make a statement in his new role and fire people. Can't use him as a reference. Ya those supervisors end up getting fired but have made some poor company desisions based on their own poor attitude that will affect people below him.