[News Roundup] Burke does his homework. Has a hockey trade in the works?

[Badgers Nose]

Lol at everyone who thinks Burke will remould the flames in one trade deadline by parting with a bunch of old guys who barely deserve their ice time on a bottom 5 team. Judging from the last few pages, that's a lot of you.

Even bigger lol to folk that want to trade 45 min a night of defence men (gio and wide) for rookies.

Prepare to be underwhelmed.

[formulate]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Lol at everyone who thinks Burke will remould the flames in one trade deadline by parting with a bunch of old guys who barely deserve their ice time on a bottom 5 team. Judging from the last few pages, that's a lot of you.

Even bigger lol to folk that want to trade 45 min a night of defence men (gio and wide) for rookies.

Prepare to be underwhelmed.

Best case scenario sees us getting a late first rounder or good prospect for Cammalleri (maybe him plus a 3rd?), a 2nd or 3rd for Stempniak, and an unsharped box of pencil crayons for Butler.

[Old Yeller]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I love the collective amnesia over trade deadlines. They usually fizzle. Every year we see all sorts of comments along the lines of "I can't believe I took a day off work for this!" And yet the next year, the same anticipation and the same disappointment. TSN are masters at marketing this stuff.

They really are... such hype every year for weeks beforehand and then we get Duthie/Mckenzie/Dreger breaking down a Dominic Moore for a 2nd rounder for the better part of three hours.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Old Yeller

They really are... such hype every year for weeks beforehand and then we get Duthie/Mckenzie/Dreger breaking down a Dominic Moore for a 2nd rounder for the better part of three hours.

Who cares? As a hockey fan, whether it's eventful or uneventful isn't the point. The fun is the atmosphere that it creates, the extended coverage of player profiles, the rumours, the ability to take a day off of work just to focus on hockey....

.... Trade Deadline Day may be overhyped, but it's still fun, and it's completely harmless. As a fan of hockey, I thoroughly enjoy this time of year. I get to spend copious amounts of time on hockey boards reading up on news and stats, and it's an excuse to shut yourself in and just live and breathe hockey for a while.

[FakenHaken]

Maybe it is just me, not sure. I feel much more comfortable though with Burke in charge of the trade deadline, than when Feaster was in charge of it last year.

Not that Feaster per se was the absolute worst, but there were many times where I was left asking the question..... really? Now of course I could be left more than disappointed with what Burke does this year, but going in for some reason I feel little more confident we don't leave too many chips on the table.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by fakenhaken

maybe it is just me, not sure. I feel much more comfortable though with burke in charge of the trade deadline, than when feaster was in charge of it last year.

feaster per se was the absolute worst, and there were many times where i was left asking the question..... Really? Now of course i could be left more than disappointed with what burke does this year, but going in for some reason i feel little more confident we don't leave too many chips on the table.

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[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by FakenHaken

Maybe it is just me, not sure. I feel much more comfortable though with Burke in charge of the trade deadline, than when Feaster was in charge of it last year.

Not that Feaster per se was the absolute worst, but there were many times where I was left asking the question..... really? Now of course I could be left more than disappointed with what Burke does this year, but going in for some reason I feel little more confident we don't leave too many chips on the table.

Let's judge Mr. Burke on what he comes up with this deadline, shall we. I don't have much confidence he'll do much of anything or improve on what Feaster did last deadline. To top Feaster he'll have to recoup two first round picks and four prospects on two trades. Burke has talked a whole lot of #### to this point, but he's delivered nothing to date. All the bluster of getting bigger and more truculent has turned into a major bust. All the bluster of moving players out before the Olympic break turned into a major bust. I'm skeptical and have gotten tired of his comments. If he were doing this for another team we would be calling him Tubby McBlowhard and reveling in his failures. I prefer he was more Darryl Sutter and waited to flap his gums after moves have been made because he's set expectations he has failed to meet.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by New Era

Let's judge Mr. Burke on what he comes up with this deadline, shall we. I don't have much confidence he'll do much of anything or improve on what Feaster did last deadline. To top Feaster he'll have to recoup two first round picks and four prospects on two trades. Burke has talked a whole lot of #### to this point, but he's delivered nothing to date. All the bluster of getting bigger and more truculent has turned into a major bust. All the bluster of moving players out before the Olympic break turned into a major bust. I'm skeptical and have gotten tired of his comments. If he were doing this for another team we would be calling him Tubby McBlowhard and reveling in his failures. I prefer he was more Darryl Sutter and waited to flap his gums after moves have been made because he's set expectations he has failed to meet.

Feaster had Jarome Iginla and Jay Bouwmeester to trade. Burke has Mike Cammalleri, Lee Stempniak and Chris Butler to use as potential trade chips..

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by codynw

Feaster had Jarome Iginla and Jay Bouwmeester to trade. Burke has Mike Cammalleri, Lee Stempniak and Chris Butler to use as potential trade chips..

Jay Feaster had to trade Jarome Iginla to one team. Try and get a good deal out of that. The fact that he managed to snake a first and two decent prospects like Agostino and Hanowski is pretty good. Would we have liked more? Hell yes. But Iginla screwed the Flames by reneging on his list of teams he would be traded to.

I love how the opinion of Jay Bouwmeester has turned around here. Where was all this love for him when he played here? When he was here, the attitude was he was one of the worst contracts in the league and waste of money. Working off that premise Feaster was a ####ing magician to dump Bouwmeester for a first, two other prospects and not take back any other salary.

But of course you're going to use revisionist history and make it seem like Feaster had a ton to work with. Trade one player with what was considered a horrible contract and another guy that prevented the GM from using other teams as leverage. Those were no win situations. We'll see how Burke does with the players at his disposal.

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by New Era

Let's judge Mr. Burke on what he comes up with this deadline, shall we. I don't have much confidence he'll do much of anything or improve on what Feaster did last deadline. To top Feaster he'll have to recoup two first round picks and four prospects on two trades. Burke has talked a whole lot of #### to this point, but he's delivered nothing to date. All the bluster of getting bigger and more truculent has turned into a major bust. All the bluster of moving players out before the Olympic break turned into a major bust. I'm skeptical and have gotten tired of his comments. If he were doing this for another team we would be calling him Tubby McBlowhard and reveling in his failures. I prefer he was more Darryl Sutter and waited to flap his gums after moves have been made because he's set expectations he has failed to meet.

Now of course I could be left more than disappointed with what Burke does this year, but going in for some reason I feel little more confident we don't leave too many chips on the table.

Did this part of my entire opinion fly right over your head while you were busy pumping weights in the gym, so you could feel better about yourself to spend more time on making fat jokes already about Burke.

I don't know Brian Burke to be honest. He may turn out to be the worst GM in the history of the Calgary Flames. The only point I was trying to make without being overly condescending of Mr. Feaster is that I feel better about going into this Trade deadline than I did last year. Of course Burke should be and will be judged by his triumphs and failures this year. However, maybe this go around we don't have to call someone a big fat jerk or Tubby McBlowhard just to make a point like we did with Feaster.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by New Era

Jay Feaster had to trade Jarome Iginla to one team. Try and get a good deal out of that. The fact that he managed to snake a first and two decent prospects like Agostino and Hanowski is pretty good. Would we have liked more? Hell yes. But Iginla screwed the Flames by reneging on his list of teams he would be traded to.

I love how the opinion of Jay Bouwmeester has turned around here. Where was all this love for him when he played here? When he was here, the attitude was he was one of the worst contracts in the league and waste of money. Working off that premise Feaster was a ####ing magician to dump Bouwmeester for a first, two other prospects and not take back any other salary.

But of course you're going to use revisionist history and make it seem like Feaster had a ton to work with. Trade one player with what was considered a horrible contract and another guy that prevented the GM from using other teams as leverage. Those were no win situations. We'll see how Burke does with the players at his disposal.

Burke will do very well, he is very good at trading, he has said so himself. Plus he has said that he was disappointed with the return that Feaster got on his trades, so I am sure that since he will do a lot better Burke will get at a minimum a 1st for Cammy, probably a 1st plus at least a prospect.

I wish Burke would trade Wideman too, similar big contract to Bouwmeester. I would think that Burke would be able to get a 1st and prospects for Wideman as well. What is the point of having such a great trading GM like Burke if he is scared of his own shadow and does not want to make any trades?

Cammy for a 1st plus a good prospect

Wideman for a 1st and a prospect

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by New Era

Jay Feaster had to trade Jarome Iginla to one team. Try and get a good deal out of that. The fact that he managed to snake a first and two decent prospects like Agostino and Hanowski is pretty good. Would we have liked more? Hell yes. But Iginla screwed the Flames by reneging on his list of teams he would be traded to.

I love how the opinion of Jay Bouwmeester has turned around here. Where was all this love for him when he played here? When he was here, the attitude was he was one of the worst contracts in the league and waste of money. Working off that premise Feaster was a ####ing magician to dump Bouwmeester for a first, two other prospects and not take back any other salary.

But of course you're going to use revisionist history and make it seem like Feaster had a ton to work with. Trade one player with what was considered a horrible contract and another guy that prevented the GM from using other teams as leverage. Those were no win situations. We'll see how Burke does with the players at his disposal.

The other teams (and Feaster) clearly didn't know that since they had a deal with Boston about 15 minutes before the deal to Pittsburgh was announced.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Cammy for a 1st plus a good prospect

Wideman for a 1st and a prospect

If Burke acquires two additional first rounders by the deadline this year I will eat my pubes. At least a few of them. Not happening

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by FakenHaken

Now of course I could be left more than disappointed with what Burke does this year, but going in for some reason I feel little more confident we don't leave too many chips on the table.

Did this part of my entire opinion fly right over your head while you were busy pumping weights in the gym, so you could feel better about yourself to spend more time on making fat jokes already about Burke.

I don't know Brian Burke to be honest. He may turn out to be the worst GM in the history of the Calgary Flames. The only point I was trying to make without being overly condescending of Mr. Feaster is that I feel better about going into this Trade deadline than I did last year. Of course Burke should be and will be judged by his triumphs and failures this year. However, maybe this go around we don't have to call someone a big fat jerk or Tubby McBlowhard just to make a point like we did with Feaster.

You may want to do yourself a favor and use the search feature. Key in "Tubby McBlowhard." That is what a number of posters here, on CP, called Brian Burke when he was the GM of other teams. I found it distasteful then and I find it distasteful now. What annoys me is that Burke was called that right up until the minute he was hired by the Flames. TBQH, I've never understood that thinking. If the guy was a jerk working for other teams, he's probably still a jerk working for ours. Character traits don't change because you pull on our jersey. But I digress. I'm just annoyed at how people have fallen into a line of thinking when there is nothing to support the claim that one guys is better than the other. Let's wait and see how Burke does. It's easy to be critical of the moves Feaster made, but as GM, you better come up with a better return for the trades you make after the fact.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

The other teams (and Feaster) clearly didn't know that since they had a deal with Boston about 15 minutes before the deal to Pittsburgh was announced.

Yeah, exactly. Boston and the rest of the hockey world thought they had a deal. Iginla killed it and said he would only go to Pittsburgh. At that point Feaster is negotiating with one team, and one team only. It's not like he can turn around and say that Boston has the better deal on the table. Iginla killed the deal! Feaster could only deal with Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh knew it. It's the same situation Yzerman is facing in Tampa. The only deal to be made is with the Rangers. Think Yzerman is going to get maximum value for MSL? If you think the Rangers are going to do anything but lowball Yzerman, you're delusional.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by New Era

Jay Feaster had to trade Jarome Iginla to one team. Try and get a good deal out of that. The fact that he managed to snake a first and two decent prospects like Agostino and Hanowski is pretty good. Would we have liked more? Hell yes. But Iginla screwed the Flames by reneging on his list of teams he would be traded to.

I love how the opinion of Jay Bouwmeester has turned around here. Where was all this love for him when he played here? When he was here, the attitude was he was one of the worst contracts in the league and waste of money. Working off that premise Feaster was a ####ing magician to dump Bouwmeester for a first, two other prospects and not take back any other salary.

But of course you're going to use revisionist history and make it seem like Feaster had a ton to work with. Trade one player with what was considered a horrible contract and another guy that prevented the GM from using other teams as leverage. Those were no win situations. We'll see how Burke does with the players at his disposal.

I guess you must have not watched last season at all? Bouwmeester was easily the Flames best Dman and was only 29. Feaster had the luxury of retaining salary but chose not to. Also he painted the picture that the team didn't believe in it when now it is clear Burke can do it of he wants. Jay misjudged the market for cap space this summer and wanted to maximize the space he had. The flames got Smid with that cap space which they could have done anyway of they ate $2M of Bouws deal.

It was a bad trade at the time and now that Bouw has a gold medal it has become even worse. Feaster was horrible at trades in Tampa and Calgary where Burke has proven to be pretty solid in his time in Toronto and Anaheim. Then to compare the assets we are moving now to Iggy and Bouw is ridiculous. The. You try and use the perception of Bouw under Sutter to be the same as under Hartley to solidify your argument? Brutal as usual

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by New Era

You may want to do yourself a favor and use the search feature. Key in "Tubby McBlowhard." That is what a number of posters here, on CP, called Brian Burke when he was the GM of other teams. I found it distasteful then and I find it distasteful now. What annoys me is that Burke was called that right up until the minute he was hired by the Flames. TBQH, I've never understood that thinking. If the guy was a jerk working for other teams, he's probably still a jerk working for ours. Character traits don't change because you pull on our jersey. But I digress. I'm just annoyed at how people have fallen into a line of thinking when there is nothing to support the claim that one guys is better than the other. Let's wait and see how Burke does. It's easy to be critical of the moves Feaster made, but as GM, you better come up with a better return for the trades you make after the fact.

Many posters (myself included) really wanted Burke to come on board when the rumors of the Presidents job popped up (post JD in Columbus)

[FBI]

I'm definitely not much of a Burke fan so far but one thing we can say about him is that he is patient.

Maybe too patient, we'll see.

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by New Era

Yeah, exactly. Boston and the rest of the hockey world thought they had a deal. Iginla killed it and said he would only go to Pittsburgh. At that point Feaster is negotiating with one team, and one team only. It's not like he can turn around and say that Boston has the better deal on the table. Iginla killed the deal! Feaster could only deal with Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh knew it. It's the same situation Yzerman is facing in Tampa. The only deal to be made is with the Rangers. Think Yzerman is going to get maximum value for MSL? If you think the Rangers are going to do anything but lowball Yzerman, you're delusional.

I think it is great that there were probably 4 maybe 5 people in the room that night. Iginla, Iginla's Agent maybe by phone if not there, Feaster, Weisbrod, Murray Edwards. We know by fact exactly what took place almost as if we watched it all go down on TV. Not sure how that's possible, but anyways.

For example and I don't know the real truth as I wasn't there. I believe they received two legitimate offers from two teams on Iginla's Trade list. He was asked the question by the Calgary Flames which team would you like to go to. Iginla responded once asked the question with well if you are happy with both deals but I can choose then I choose Pittsburgh. Why not he was likely to think he would play with the best player in the world. At that point the offer from the Penguins was accepted.

However, you could be more than right as there wasn't one person from CP in that room so I can't even begin to claim I'm right and you are wrong. Personally though I'd like to believe no one bent anyone over, the Calgary Flames treated Iginla fair by asking the question and he did the Calgary Flames good by saying if it is all good by them then I choose Pittsburgh. I think Feaster did fine there in fact I thought Iginla to maximize value should have been traded the year before but ownership probably wasn't going to allow that. So Feaster did the best he could given the circumstances.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It was a bad trade at the time

Since we don't know the details of what other teams offered, it's impossible to make that assessment. IIRC, the Wings, for one, were not interested in moving a first round pick.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

...and now that Bouw has a gold medal it has become even worse.

What does an Olympic gold medal in 2014 have to do with Bouwmeester's trade value in 2013? It might make you personally feel worse, but it's irrelevant to the matter of Bouwmeester's trade value at the time, and more importantly, the number of teams that were able to give up a 1st round pick and take his contract on.