Mark "Fricken" Jankowski (aka The Big Jankowski)

[saXon]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

wait... i thought this thread was about matta?

Oops. You're right good sir, mah bad.

[Alberta_Beef]

An example of the quality of linemates Jankowski is playing with.

Tonight he played with Trevor Mingoia and Stefan Demopoulos. Mingoia has played in 19 games and has 2 goals and 7 assists. Demopoulos has played 22 games and has no goals and 6 assists. Yes, his linemates have a combined total of 15 points.

Mingoia is a Sophomore that played his freshman year at Union College 2 years ago and Demopolous a Junior. Both just recently started playing with Jankowski.

Another thing to consider, despite being a Sophomore this year Jankowski is still the 2nd youngest player on the Friars.

Also the Friars don't have a defined 2nd and 3rd line, they play them both the same amount. And there is alot of line juggling between the 2 lines and whoever plays with Mauermann and Saracino.

I also believe Demopoulos plays most of his time on the 4th line and Connor McPhee in the top 9.

Last night the lines were

Saracino ● Mauermann ● Luke ---> combined 32 goals
Tanev ● Acciari ● Army ---> combined 21 goals
Mingoia ● Jankowski ● Demopoulos ---> combined 14 goals
de Jersey ● Rooney ● McPharland ---> combined 5 goals

[saXon]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

An example of the quality of linemates Jankowski is playing with.

Tonight he played with Trevor Mingoia and Stefan Demopoulos. Mingoia has played in 19 games and has 2 goals and 7 assists. Demopoulos has played 22 games and has no goals and 6 assists. Yes, his linemates have a combined total of 15 points.

Mingoia is a Sophomore that played his freshman year at Union College 2 years ago and Demopolous a Junior. Both just recently started playing with Jankowski.

Another thing to consider, despite being a Sophomore this year Jankowski is still the 2nd youngest player on the Friars.

Also the Friars don't have a defined 2nd and 3rd line, they play them both the same amount. And there is alot of line juggling between the 2 lines and whoever plays with Mauermann and Saracino.

I also believe Demopoulos plays most of his time on the 4th line and Connor McPhee in the top 9.

Last night the lines were

Saracino ● Mauermann ● Luke ---> combined 32 goals
Tanev ● Acciari ● Army ---> combined 21 goals
Mingoia ● Jankowski ● Demopoulos ---> combined 14 goals
de Jersey ● Rooney ● McPharland ---> combined 5 goals

...but, just imagine if he was playing with Maata.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by saXon

...but, just imagine if he was playing with Maata.

then he'd be a defenseman with size and amazing offensive numbers!!!!

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by saXon

No, I'm pretty sure he's doing the same thing he's been doing the last 2 years...steadily developing.

Maybe the naysayers were a tad expeditious to write him off because he isn't an Olympian by now.

Yeah, he scores two goals every weekend.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Yeah, he scores two goals every weekend.

Scoring has very little to do with the development of his game. He's already recognized as a very talented player with high offensive upside. What the Flames wanted to see him work on, going back to college, was to get better defensively and become a more important player on his team. While there are quite a few on forums like his who measure importance on a team by the number of points scored, there are those who understand the game and will tell you there is more to the game than scoring points. Who is the better and more important player? Patrick Kane or Jonathan Toews? The 13 point cushion in scoring would have you believe Kane is the man in Chicago, but anyone, and I mean anyone, who knows hockey will tell you that Toews is the straw that stirs the drink and the most important player for the Blackhawks.

As has been pointed out, numerous times in this thread, Jankowski is the second youngest player on the team. He's a player in development who has shifted from wing to center on a team that thinks defense first. Even though he is so young and has made the move to a new position this season, he has already become the go-to defensive player on the Friars. Mauermann is the offensive star on the team, but Jankowski is that jack-o-all-trades that plays in every situation. He's out on the ice at the end of every game. If the Friars are defending a lead, there is Jankowski taking the important draws and providing the defensive coverage to ensure the win. If the Friars are trying to score late, Jankowski's line is counted on as the second offensive threat. When the goaltender is pulled it is Jankowski who is the extra man, and he's out there planting himself in front of the net doing the dirty work.

Some numbers that should be considered when you look at Jankowski. He's 2nd on the Friars in goals scored. He's second in shooting percentage at 15.1%. He's second on the team in +/- at +15. He's third on the team in shots on goal and game winning goals. In players who have take more than 10 faceoffs, Jankowski is the best on the team, winning 55.3% of his draws! I wish they had those broke down into zone starts because Jankowski takes the majority of the defensive zone draws, and all of the ones that matter.

There is no doubt that Mauermann is the big man on campus and the offensive leader, but Jankowski is the unsung hero on the Friars and Mr. everything else. I don't have a clue how anyone who has actually watched the Friars this year, and Mark Jankowski, can be anything but impressed with the growth this quiet young man has shown. He is the Jonathan Toews to Mauremann's Patrick Kane on the Providence Friars.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by New Era

Scoring has very little to do with the development of his game. He's already recognized as a very talented player with high offensive upside. What the Flames wanted to see him work on, going back to college, was to get better defensively and become a more important player on his team. While there are quite a few on forums like his who measure importance on a team by the number of points scored, there are those who understand the game and will tell you there is more to the game than scoring points. Who is the better and more important player? Patrick Kane or Jonathan Toews? The 13 point cushion in scoring would have you believe Kane is the man in Chicago, but anyone, and I mean anyone, who knows hockey will tell you that Toews is the straw that stirs the drink and the most important player for the Blackhawks.

As has been pointed out, numerous times in this thread, Jankowski is the second youngest player on the team. He's a player in development who has shifted from wing to center on a team that thinks defense first. Even though he is so young and has made the move to a new position this season, he has already become the go-to defensive player on the Friars. Mauermann is the offensive star on the team, but Jankowski is that jack-o-all-trades that plays in every situation. He's out on the ice at the end of every game. If the Friars are defending a lead, there is Jankowski taking the important draws and providing the defensive coverage to ensure the win. If the Friars are trying to score late, Jankowski's line is counted on as the second offensive threat. When the goaltender is pulled it is Jankowski who is the extra man, and he's out there planting himself in front of the net doing the dirty work.

Some numbers that should be considered when you look at Jankowski. He's 2nd on the Friars in goals scored. He's second in shooting percentage at 15.1%. He's second on the team in +/- at +15. He's third on the team in shots on goal and game winning goals. In players who have take more than 10 faceoffs, Jankowski is the best on the team, winning 55.3% of his draws! I wish they had those broke down into zone starts because Jankowski takes the majority of the defensive zone draws, and all of the ones that matter.

There is no doubt that Mauermann is the big man on campus and the offensive leader, but Jankowski is the unsung hero on the Friars and Mr. everything else. I don't have a clue how anyone who has actually watched the Friars this year, and Mark Jankowski, can be anything but impressed with the growth this quiet young man has shown. He is the Jonathan Toews to Mauremann's Patrick Kane on the Providence Friars.

Jankowski is not recognized as "very talented player high offensive upside" in very many places. And Toews is at least a first line player.

We all get that we don't know where he is yet, as he's early in what we all knew was a long development path. So how then is he regarded as anything but a long term project.

Let's not apply superlatives that have no basis

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Jankowski is not recognized as "very talented player high offensive upside" in very many places. And Toews is at least a first line player.

We all get that we don't know where he is yet, as he's early in what we all knew was a long development path. So how then is he regarded as anything but a long term project.

Let's not apply superlatives that have no basis

Can we at least be encouraged by the fact he just had his greatest weekend ever in College hockey? Two game winning goals very late in the season when his team needs every win? Counted on to take defensive zone draws? Sounds pretty clutch to me. I think our project pick is progressing just fine. No complaints here.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by New Era

Scoring has very little to do with the development of his game. He's already recognized as a very talented player with high offensive upside. What the Flames wanted to see him work on, going back to college, was to get better defensively and become a more important player on his team. While there are quite a few on forums like his who measure importance on a team by the number of points scored, there are those who understand the game and will tell you there is more to the game than scoring points. Who is the better and more important player? Patrick Kane or Jonathan Toews? The 13 point cushion in scoring would have you believe Kane is the man in Chicago, but anyone, and I mean anyone, who knows hockey will tell you that Toews is the straw that stirs the drink and the most important player for the Blackhawks.

As has been pointed out, numerous times in this thread, Jankowski is the second youngest player on the team. He's a player in development who has shifted from wing to center on a team that thinks defense first. Even though he is so young and has made the move to a new position this season, he has already become the go-to defensive player on the Friars. Mauermann is the offensive star on the team, but Jankowski is that jack-o-all-trades that plays in every situation. He's out on the ice at the end of every game. If the Friars are defending a lead, there is Jankowski taking the important draws and providing the defensive coverage to ensure the win. If the Friars are trying to score late, Jankowski's line is counted on as the second offensive threat. When the goaltender is pulled it is Jankowski who is the extra man, and he's out there planting himself in front of the net doing the dirty work.

Some numbers that should be considered when you look at Jankowski. He's 2nd on the Friars in goals scored. He's second in shooting percentage at 15.1%. He's second on the team in +/- at +15. He's third on the team in shots on goal and game winning goals. In players who have take more than 10 faceoffs, Jankowski is the best on the team, winning 55.3% of his draws! I wish they had those broke down into zone starts because Jankowski takes the majority of the defensive zone draws, and all of the ones that matter.

There is no doubt that Mauermann is the big man on campus and the offensive leader, but Jankowski is the unsung hero on the Friars and Mr. everything else. I don't have a clue how anyone who has actually watched the Friars this year, and Mark Jankowski, can be anything but impressed with the growth this quiet young man has shown. He is the Jonathan Toews to Mauremann's Patrick Kane on the Providence Friars.

You know I get tired of being lectured about crap I already know. If you don't think him having a two goal weekend isn't a positive because he's so great defensively playing on the third line of a so so college team, well I give up commenting on him. He's got a long road to follow and there are lots of detours on the way. I'm happy that so far he's stayed on the path but as said, he's got a long way to go and a lot of steps to take.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Jankowski is not recognized as "very talented player high offensive upside" in very many places.

Do we have to go through this bull#### again? How many times do the pre-draft articles have to be posted? Jankowski was considered the wildcard of the draft because of his high talent level and offensive upside.

And Toews is at least a first line player.

There was a time when that was an unknown as well. Or were you such an amazing judge of talent you knew Toews was a first line player when he was a 2nd liner at UND?

We all get that we don't know where he is yet, as he's early in what we all knew was a long development path. So how then is he regarded as anything but a long term project.

He's highly regarded at Providence and is a key member of a very good hockey team. That high regard is echoed by members of the Flames organizations and by other scouts who have watched his development at Providence. The only ones who don't seem to now have any grip on his play or development are the hand wringers who don't watch him and only judge him based on scoring summaries. That gets frustrating as hell, especially when other prospects who have shown little to no growth are promoted as sure fire NHL players.

Let's not apply superlatives that have no basis

Yeah, and let's not #### all over a kid you haven't seen or have no idea what his situation or game is about. Jankowski gets rave reviews from his coaching staff and gets more and more responsibility for a winning program. Seems like there is lots of basis to those comments, and it is a direct result of his play. Of course, to those who haven't seen him, that means there is no basis for those comments, because they don't show up in a scoring summary.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by New Era

Do we have to go through this bull#### again? How many times do the pre-draft articles have to be posted? Jankowski was considered the wildcard of the draft because of his high talent level and offensive upside.



There was a time when that was an unknown as well. Or were you such an amazing judge of talent you knew Toews was a first line player when he was a 2nd liner at UND?



He's highly regarded at Providence and is a key member of a very good hockey team. That high regard is echoed by members of the Flames organizations and by other scouts who have watched his development at Providence. The only ones who don't seem to now have any grip on his play or development are the hand wringers who don't watch him and only judge him based on scoring summaries. That gets frustrating as hell, especially when other prospects who have shown little to no growth are promoted as sure fire NHL players.



Yeah, and let's not #### all over a kid you haven't seen or have no idea what his situation or game is about. Jankowski gets rave reviews from his coaching staff and gets more and more responsibility for a winning program. Seems like there is lots of basis to those comments, and it is a direct result of his play. Of course, to those who haven't seen him, that means there is no basis for those comments, because they don't show up in a scoring summary.

Get off your high horse. He's a third line centre on a mediocre college team that is in 6th place with a minus two goal differential. Every poster here who has any sense knows that scoring isn't everything but if he can't score at the college level, he ain't going to suddenly learn how in the NHL. That he got a couple of goals is a very good thing but he has a long way to go. I commend you for sticking up for a Flames draft choice but take off your rose coloured glasses.

[Red Ice Player]

Vulcan, I agree with a lot of your opinions and you seem to care a lot about the Flames and the direction they're going. Saying that, on this subject you are becoming absolutely insufferable with this constant glass half empty, have to get in the last word attitude. Really, we know you hate this pick. It's abundantly clear. Maybe just leave this thread alone for awhile. No need to rain on this parade any longer. Its a complete downer having every positive about Jankowski being smugly dismissed in a thread that was created to follow his progress. Give it a rest please.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Red Ice Player

Vulcan, I agree with a lot of your opinions and you seem to care a lot about the Flames and the direction they're going. Saying that, on this subject you are becoming absolutely insufferable with this constant glass half empty, have to get in the last word attitude. Really, we know you hate this pick. It's abundantly clear. Maybe just leave this thread alone for awhile. No need to rain on this parade any longer. Its a complete downer having every positive about Jankowski being smugly dismissed in a thread that was created to follow his progress. Give it a rest please.

Hey, I backed off for a few days, said nothing as it was just going in circles but it's been the other side who kept bringing the argument up, so I finally have responded.

I made a half joking comment and someone decided to escalate it again.

[devo22]

this place can be really frustrating sometimes. Maybe I have to stay away from this thread every time he scores because it's the same thing every time ... people get excited, other people don't, senseless discussions about his draft position, Maatta and what not. Wash, rinse, repeat CP.

I for one am happy with his development curve so far. Shift to center + better production than last year + 2nd best Friars goal scorer ... I'll take that. Anyone know where I can see his FO stats of the season? There's nothing on the HE site (as far as I can see).

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by devo22

this place can be really frustrating sometimes. Maybe I have to stay away from this thread every time he scores because it's the same thing every time ... people get excited, other people don't, senseless discussions about his draft position, Maatta and what not. Wash, rinse, repeat CP.

I for one am happy with his development curve so far. Shift to center + better production than last year + 2nd best Friars goal scorer ... I'll take that. Anyone know where I can see his FO stats of the season? There's nothing on the HE site (as far as I can see).

Friars website.

http://www.friars.com/sports/m-hocke.../teamcume.html

He has won 281 of 508 draws for 55.3%

I also looked at the total goals from the team as well and they could actually score fewer goals than they did last year. Last year they had 105 goals in 38 games, this year they have 95 in 32 games.

This coming weekend is huge for the Friars as they play a pair against the Maine Blackbears. The standings are so tights that the Friars can finish anywhere from 2nd to 8th in Hockey East with up to 2 games remaining for each team.

[thymebalm]

MARK JANKOWSKI

Drafted: 1st round (21st overall) by Calgary Flames
Age: 19 years, 5 months, 10 days
Height: 6'3" - 1.90m
Weight: 186lbs - 84.37kg (friars.com)

Status: Competing in Mortal Kombat at an undisclosed location:

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by New Era

There was a time when that was an unknown as well. Or were you such an amazing judge of talent you knew Toews was a first line player when he was a 2nd liner at UND?

Really? Toews was drafted 3 overall in a pretty deep top 5 and was a 1.35 PPG producer in his +1 draft year (and putting up close to a PPG in the NHL in his +2 year). Not much of a comparable.

This debate isn't going to be solved. One side is going to continue to say that Jankowski was a project when he was drafted and we won't know for a few more years if he was a good pick. The other will continue to point out that Jankowski is way behind where most successful 1st rounders are (even if you consider this season his first), that the comparables (project or no) to Jankowski that found success in the NHL are few and far between, and that there were many other great options available.

My take is simple and it has nothing to do with the player that Jankowski may or may not end up. Calgary did not have the luxury to roll the dice on a long term project given our position at the time. Not with the number of quality prospects that were available to the Flames at the time. Our cupboard was too bare, we were on the fringe of a rebuild, and our drafting record to that point was atrocious.

This is all aggravated by the fact that many of the prospects that were in range are developing very good players/prospect while Jankowsi is proving he is VERY much a project. Personally I see so few examples of players that were a project like Jankowski that ended up as top end NHL players. Keep in mind, for Jankowski to be a successful pick he can't just be a competent NHL player. He has to be better than players like Hertl and Maata. If not, why did we take the risk and suffer the extra development time?

The Jankowski supporters argument is being made by people that have rarely seen the kid play and boils down to "it is possible he could be good" and "Feaster told us he was a project". I agree it is possible that he could be an NHL player at one point. I agree that as fans we should be cheering him on and we shouldn't be writing him off. Long shot or no he is a Flames prospect. But unless he truly ends up as "the best player in the draft" this is STILL a bad decision because taking a high risk to get normal results is a bad decision. And there is NOTHING in Jankowski's game to suggest he is going to be a high end player in the NHL.

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by kehatch

But unless he truly ends up as "the best player in the draft" this is STILL a bad decision because taking a high risk to get normal results is a bad decision.

What a completely ludicrous statement to make about a 21st overall pick. So if he doesn't become a superstar it's a bad pick? That's how I'm interpreting your words. That is absurd and a completely unrealistic expectation.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Red Ice Player

What a completely ludicrous statement to make about a 21st overall pick. So if he doesn't become a superstar he's a bust? That's how I'm interpreting your words. That is absurd and a completely unrealistic expectation.

Than you interpreting them incorrectly. If he ends up as an average player he isn't a bust. He is an average player. What I am saying is we didn't need to take a huge risk on a project to end up with an average player.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Than you interpreting them incorrectly. If he ends up as an average player he isn't a bust. He is an average player. What I am saying is we didn't need to take a huge risk on a project to end up with an average player.

I think the problem is you viewing it as a "huge risk" more so than his interpretation of what you said.

I can't believe anyone is saying saying that if he's an average player he's not a bust, but he still isn't good enough because it was a risk.

Newsflash:
EVERY PICK IS A RISK!!