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rubecube · 05-23-2006, 01:53 PM

Here's a link to the claim:http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/ca...-timeline.html

It sounds like their claim is questionable at best. Definitely not something to be punching people and cutting power about.

jolinar of malkshor · 05-23-2006, 02:01 PM

The way they should deal with these Natives is give every single one of them 1 million dollars and cancel any future claims to rights land or what ever and get rid of the reservation system and allow them to own their land and have the freedom to do what they want with it. If they all pis away their million bucks within 30 years so be it, no more from the government.

Bobblehead · 05-23-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

The way they should deal with these Natives is give every single one of them 1 million dollars and cancel any future claims to rights land or what ever and get rid of the reservation system and allow them to own their land and have the freedom to do what they want with it. If they all pis away their million bucks within 30 years so be it, no more from the government.

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It is the most populace reserve in Canada. 2001 population was 21,474. I'm not sure throwing $21.5 Billion dollars at the problem is very smart at all.

jolinar of malkshor · 05-23-2006, 03:32 PM

Ok how much do we spend every year to support the Natives. LOTS. Get it over and done with now and save money in the future.

jolinar of malkshor · 05-23-2006, 03:35 PM

How many billions have we paid out for oil and gas royalty payments. BILLIONS.

Bobblehead · 05-23-2006, 03:37 PM

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Ok how much do we spend every year to support the Natives. LOTS. Get it over and done with now and save money in the future.

Do you think it would be over and done with?
That is ONE reserve, what about all the rest?

Why don't the US have these issues with their native populations? They must have handled it differently, did they handle it better? What did they do?

rubecube · 05-23-2006, 03:38 PM

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Do you think it would be over and done with?
That is ONE reserve, what about all the rest?

Why don't the US have these issues with their native populations? They must have handled it differently, did they handle it better? What did they do?

Killed off most of their aboriginals...

jolinar of malkshor · 05-23-2006, 03:42 PM

I am talking about all natives every where in Canada.

We spend over 6 billion a year on Native Services. Where does it get them? No where. Give them the money and call it even.

RougeUnderoos · 05-23-2006, 03:45 PM

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How many billions have we paid out for oil and gas royalty payments. BILLIONS.

Oh for sure. Oil and gas royalties should be reserved for white people. We should tear up any old agreements that sees natives get oil and gas royalties. Might as well tear up all the old treaties while we're at it. I mean really, those things happened a long time ago and the paper has probably turned yellow by now so why should I honor an old agreement? I wasn't even born when they made those agreements so they are now worthless.

These people should be arrested because they broke the law. I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure breaking treaties and reneging on contracts is perfectly legal. .

jolinar of malkshor · 05-23-2006, 03:51 PM

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Oh for sure. Oil and gas royalties should be reserved for white people. We should tear up any old agreements that sees natives get oil and gas royalties. Might as well tear up all the old treaties while we're at it. I mean really, those things happened a long time ago and the paper has probably turned yellow by now so why should I honor an old agreement? I wasn't even born when they made those agreements so they are now worthless.

These people should be arrested because they broke the law. I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure breaking treaties and reneging on contracts is perfectly legal. .

Give your head a shake. I said make a deal with the natives. Give them a lump sum and be done with it. Tell me where I said violate any treaty.

A guy cant even make suggestions any more with out being accused of something. WOW.

With the royalties I was making a point on how much we pay out. Did I say that only WHITE people desever oil and gas revenue????? No so screw off.

RougeUnderoos · 05-23-2006, 04:02 PM

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Tell me where I said violate any treaty.

Gee I don't know, maybe in the previous sentence? This one: Give them a lump sum and be done with it.

Doesn't that sound like a violation of a treaty? It sure does to me. Your whole idea is a fundamental violation of a treaty. Don't you see that? Obviously not.

As for the oil and gas revenues, what the hell are you whining about? Any oil and gas revenues natives get they are legally entitled to but there you are complaining that "we" give it to them. Who is this "we", btw? Oil and gas revenues are just that -- oil and gas revenues. Where do "we" come into the transaction? It's not tax dollars, it's oil and gas revenues. So unless you think "we" should get the revenues from "their" land, you and I aren't giving them a goddamn thing when it comes to oil and gas so what are you complaining about? Does the government even give natives "oil and gas revenues"?

Rhettzky · 05-23-2006, 04:11 PM

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Ok how much do we spend every year to support the Natives. LOTS. Get it over and done with now and save money in the future.

Good call, well we're at it let's kill the poor and burn the diseased. Think of all the extra cash we'll save!! We'll be the richest nation in the world!!

White Doors · 05-23-2006, 04:13 PM

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Well when the law never respected the natves for 200 years how can you expect the natives to respect the law. Have you never heard the expression, 'the law is an ass'. I think it was Jesus who said 'the law was made for man, not man is made for the law', when discussing breaking the Sabath..

This particualr issue has been ruled by the supreme court who said that this housing development is NOT in native land.

Rhettzky · 05-23-2006, 04:29 PM

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WHat the hell do royalties have to do with this? The oil companies pay the government royalties. This doesn't make sense.

Oil companies will do other things for the Aboriginal people near their well sites and Oil Sands operations. For instance they might sole source goods and services from businesses owned by aboriginal people.

I am by no means an expert but I do know that a whole lot of time is spent negotiating with band leaders to come to agreements that work on both ends.

White Doors · 05-24-2006, 12:42 PM

Take from the Fata thread:

Originally Posted by White Doors
The natives are invoking their right to have their ancient tribal tradition of road block and peace pipe pow pow's.

Whitey's not welcome.

"Nice one racist."

Peter12 called me a racist. How was that racist? One can't engage in satire without being called racist?

loob job · 05-24-2006, 01:09 PM

Guys and gals, i live in caledonia and it started out as natives from caledonia but once the natives who actually are on canada's terrorism list got wind of this they came from all over canada to join the protest and it escalated (weeks ago when the road was blocked) the one guy who is shown on the news all the time yelling isn't even from calednia he's from aquasaqnie or however you spell it. I agree that they shouldnt have blocked the road, its ridiculous and have made themselves look bad in this area. Not many have respect for them anymore around here. Before and natives get on me dont bother cause i don't care what they do at their protests im just telling you whats going on there. I guess i do care a little because they are going about it totally wrong and have taken a step backward in the way they are looked at by canadians. Also i agree that if a bunch of white people did this they'd have been hammered by the opp within minutes.

Antithesis · 05-24-2006, 02:05 PM

My question is: what does supposed theft of "their" land have to do with ripping up roads, cutting off power to people who had nothing to do with the supposed robbery, and terrorizing those same random passersby?

How are these people not in jail? Why is this allowed? If I gathered my white, University educated buddies for a protest, and we did something similar, we'd be in jail and villified. Why is it OK for natives to do this?

White Doors · 05-24-2006, 02:07 PM

Because they are natives.

Bobblehead · 05-24-2006, 02:18 PM

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My question is: what does supposed theft of "their" land have to do with ripping up roads, cutting off power to people who had nothing to do with the supposed robbery, and terrorizing those same random passersby?

How are these people not in jail? Why is this allowed? If I gathered my white, University educated buddies for a protest, and we did something similar, we'd be in jail and villified. Why is it OK for natives to do this?

I'm not sure where anyone says it is OK for them to do this.

I think it is more a worry that if the OPP take action, another Dudly George/Ipperwash or Akwesasne type of incident will occur. Especially with, as Loob Job mentions, more of the violent first nations community joining the trouble.

Bobblehead · 05-24-2006, 02:20 PM

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Because they are natives.

Is this still satire? Or have you crossed to racist yet?