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Old 01-31-2014, 10:08 AM   #41
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Backlund himself said it wasn't the benching and it was the discussions with his old coach. Why is this still being attributed to Hartley? The actual player addressed this, so why are we still speculating?
Not that I don't believe you guys, but do you have a source? This is the first I've heard of this.
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Old 01-31-2014, 10:09 AM   #42
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Not that I don't believe you guys, but do you have a source? This is the first I've heard of this.
I tried to look for the article but couldn't find it. I'll keep looking.
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As mentioned before, if Backlund could get that extra step in his skating, he would be even more of a force on the ice. It's not uncommon to see lots of athletes work on their skating well into their careers. Hell, anything Backlund could do to make himself a better player is a plus.
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“I talked to my coach at home, my personal trainer. He was here visiting me for a week,” Backlund said. “So, he was giving me a few tips, mentally and after the games, too. Another coach I work with, Darryl Belfry, a skills coach and playmaking coach. He works with Patrick Kane and a bunch of guys. Every couple weeks, I’ll get a video where he’ll tell me what I’ve done right.”
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“Pretty much right after that, it started clicking,” said the six-foot, 198-pound pivot who was Calgary’s first-round pick from the 2007 draft. “I obviously had meetings with the coaches here but it’s nice to have guys outside (of the team) that only focus on myself and look, personally, what I can get better at … it’s been paying off lately.”
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Old 01-31-2014, 10:13 AM   #45
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Which gives credit to the coaches he has that can give him personal attention, but does not discredit Hartley's role in inspiring his change.
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So if a player starts playing better after a benching, it is no doubt, unquestionably the result of the coach?

Come on now. It's ridiculous. Several people were even saying at the time (besides just me) that when Backlund starts scoring again, they'll attribute it to Hartley.

I know you guys think it's just so simple, but it's not. Even Backlund attributes it to talking to his Swedish coach.
Hartley is only responsible for when players suck, you guys. When they play well, it is always the player in spite of Hartley. I'm with you, Ashasx!
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Which gives credit to the coaches he has that can give him personal attention, but does not discredit Hartley's role in inspiring his change.
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it’s nice to have guys outside (of the team) that only focus on myself and look, personally, what I can get better at
It sounds like Hartley is trying to hammer square pegs into round holes. One solution for all players.
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It sounds like Hartley is trying to hammer square pegs into round holes. One solution for all players.

No, it sounds like Hartley doesn't have time to individually coach each player because he's got an entire team to look after.

Every player has personal coaches and trainers that they work with, so I'm not sure why you're trying to skew the information to fit your anti-Hartley agenda.

I mean hey, Backlund used the same guy that works with Pat Kane, must mean Quenneville is trying to hammer round pegs into square holes.
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Trying to show evidence to strombad is useless. Holy ####.
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I realize that Backlund is getting help outside of Hartley, but you still have to credit Hartley by giving him more minutes and having confidence in him. If Backlund still sucked, he wouldn't be getting top line minutes. How is Hartley not one of the key factors in Backlund's success?
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Trying to show evidence to strombad is useless. Holy ####.

Not at all, it was evidence of something I never once declared untrue. I know Backlund's personal coaches are the ones who helped him get over his woes, and I have yet to argue any different.

My argument is simple: Hartley inspired Backlund's extra effort and desire to improve because of limited ice time and benchings. Backlund went to his coaches when his playing time was suffering because of his performance. Give me evidence that isn't true and I'll apologise.

If Hartley had just given Backlund prime playing time despite his performance, there likely wouldn't have been much need to improve.

I'm not even about giving Hartley most of the credit, but zero credit? Come on now. You'd just have to have something against Hartley to believe that to be true.
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Trying to show evidence to strombad is useless. Holy ####.
No trying to reason with anything Hartley related with you or Ashasx is useless.

Strombad is not saying that Hartley deserves full credit for the turnaround. He just saying that you cannot give Hartley no credit like you and Ashasx always try to do.

A young player has a good stretch of games it is in spite of Hartley. A young player has a bad stretch of games and it is because Hartley hates him and is biased.

Where are all the people saying Hartley hates Backlund and had a personal bias against him from earlier this year? That seems to have quieted down hasn't it.

Yes Backlund's dad, his skills coach, his personal trainer, etc helped Backlunds turnaround. But Hartley had a role too, that is all people are trying to argue.

It was him that originally sat down with Backlund and stated that he needed to focus more on his offensive game and be willing to take more risks. That led to Backlund reaching out to those close to him for help on how to improve and grow his game and it has worked.

Also not sure how that one comment makes it seem like Hartley is trying to shove square pegs into round holes. It is Backlund's personal trainer and skills coach, they are paid by Backlund to help him develop his game, that is what they are paid to do and every player has them.

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I realize that Backlund is getting help outside of Hartley, but you still have to credit Hartley by giving him more minutes and having confidence in him. If Backlund still sucked, he wouldn't be getting top line minutes. How is Hartley not one of the key factors in Backlund's success?
Not sure you can say one way or another here, but Ashwax wins this round.... most (probably not all) credit goes to these former coaches or whatever. Either way, glad to see him turn it around..... would be great to see Backlund become a major building block for this team.
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The one thing I'm surprised people haven't talked about, is this is really the longest stretch in Backlund's career that he's been healthy. He's never had an injury free campaign since getting drafted, even then he had a knee injury in his draft season.

I think a lot of his improvement has to do with he's finally gotten a long stretch where he's been able to develop, instead of constantly just trying to get back to where he was before an injury. Being healthy from training camp is a huge deal, remember how great he was looking 2 years ago before the broken hand?

Here's hoping that he can continue to be healthy and be a real force for this team come next season. It seems right now he's improving every week, and his confidence is just at an all time high.
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I want us working and drafting towards having a center group good enough that we have to push Stajan out or to the wing. We can be "banking" on Monahan becoming a surefire #1 C at this point, as great as he's been.

Backlund is etched in stone for the #3 spot on my roster though.
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The one thing I'm surprised people haven't talked about, is this is really the longest stretch in Backlund's career that he's been healthy. He's never had an injury free campaign since getting drafted, even then he had a knee injury in his draft season.

I think a lot of his improvement has to do with he's finally gotten a long stretch where he's been able to develop, instead of constantly just trying to get back to where he was before an injury. Being healthy from training camp is a huge deal, remember how great he was looking 2 years ago before the broken hand?

Here's hoping that he can continue to be healthy and be a real force for this team come next season. It seems right now he's improving every week, and his confidence is just at an all time high.
Good point.....

I also think him getting a "A" is helpful... I can't remember which coach, but I remember one of them once saying he would give "A" to the young guys cause older players would do their leadership role with or without a letter, and a letter was a great way of telling a young player its time for him to take the next step from being a follower to being a leader.
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Not sure you can say one way or another here, but Ashwax wins this round.... most (probably not all) credit goes to these former coaches or whatever. Either way, glad to see him turn it around..... would be great to see Backlund become a major building block for this team.
I suppose so... I'm still set on crediting your coach too though.
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No trying to reason with anything Hartley related with you or Ashasx is useless.

Strombad is not saying that Hartley deserves full credit for the turnaround. He just saying that you cannot give Hartley no credit like you and Ashasx always try to do.

A young player has a good stretch of games it is in spite of Hartley. A young player has a bad stretch of games and it is because Hartley hates him and is biased.

Where are all the people saying Hartley hates Backlund and had a personal bias against him from earlier this year? That seems to have quieted down hasn't it.

Yes Backlund's dad, his skills coach, his personal trainer, etc helped Backlunds turnaround. But Hartley had a role too, that is all people are trying to argue.

It was him that originally sat down with Backlund and stated that he needed to focus more on his offensive game and be willing to take more risks. That led to Backlund reaching out to those close to him for help on how to improve and grow his game and it has worked.

Also not sure how that one comment makes it seem like Hartley is trying to shove square pegs into round holes. It is Backlund's personal trainer and skills coach, they are paid by Backlund to help him develop his game, that is what they are paid to do and every player has them.
It's not all things that I don't credit Hartley for, it's THIS thing.
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It's not all things that I don't credit Hartley for, it's THIS thing.

Come on, meet me halfway. You know you waaaaant to.

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