[Signing] Dion Phaneuf signs 7yr $49M deal

[sergei_makarov]

Yes, one of many examples why Darryl Sutter the GM is polar opposite of Darryl Sutter the Coach.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Sorry Flames fans. The trade is still arguably the worst ever for the Flames franchise as much as many of you wish he would be a bust he's still a good hockey player.

The Gilmour trade is still so much worse.

Not only does Stajan alone basically beat out the return we got from TO the other guys (Macoun, Wamsley and Natress) going to Toronto totally tilts that into the worst category.

[StAlbertFlame]

Good deal...bad deal?...I'm not sure that I have the ability to judge one way or another. I do think that unless the Leafs add even better talent to their core, they will not be winning the Cup any time soon with Phaneuf as their # 1 D, and that is just fine by me. I'm just glad he didn't get traded back to the Flames.

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by normtwofinger

Nonis needs a Bro.

It's a MANSSIERE.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Sorry Flames fans. The trade is still arguably the worst ever for the Flames franchise as much as many of you wish he would be a bust he's still a good hockey player. He would have got this money in free agency and this is the cost of doing business in the NHL as the Rangers paid a big price to keep Lundqvist this season as well. The long term deals are scary but it's the direction the league is going and in about 5 more years where some of these deals don't look as good maybe the GM's across the league will be more weary but right now long term deals are the trend.

It wasn't even the worst Flames trade within a month of itself.

[getbak]

It took this long to get the deal finalized because they had to figure out how to put a dollar figure on Dion's original salary demands of, "All the V-necks".

[GaiJin]

Hmm, so whats that, 7000 bucks for every shot that misses the net or every bad 3rd period penalty he takes. Don't miss him whatsoever.

[Resolute 14]

It speaks volumes that Mirtle's story on the signing in the Globe argues that this was a "necessary evil" for Toronto. As perfectly accurate as that statement is, it is hardly a ringing endorsement of the player.

[Tinordi]

Burke got a better player back for Schenn than he gave up for Phaneuf.

[Resolute 14]

And that is relevant to Phaneuf's contract extension, how?

[Red John]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Sorry Flames fans. The trade is still arguably the worst ever for the Flames franchise as much as many of you wish he would be a bust he's still a good hockey player. He would have got this money in free agency and this is the cost of doing business in the NHL as the Rangers paid a big price to keep Lundqvist this season as well. The long term deals are scary but it's the direction the league is going and in about 5 more years where some of these deals don't look as good maybe the GM's across the league will be more weary but right now long term deals are the trend.

You're the Feaster/Weisbrod of this board. Always thinking you're smarter than everyone else knowing something that nobody else does.

We've all seen a ton of Phaneuf having had him here, and then having Leaves games forced down our throats every Saturday night on CBC. He comes as advertised and this board is probably more knowledgeable of what he brings than most.

Thing is, his own peers think he's overrated, his defensive game was never good and his offensive game has regressed. He's a good defenseman now, not a great one. A top-4 guy still, but not elite. And he's now making $7 million a year.

As bad as that trade was for the Flames, the $7 million in cap space is arguably worth more than Phaneuf if there was a viable alternative in free agency. The fact that there likely won't be is probably the only reason the Leaves did this. That, and the Leaves like to overpay mediocre players ever since Burke left.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

[Husky]

Long story short the phaneuf deal was bad for the Flames. We have very little left over from the trade. yes, Phaneuf is overrated but still a quality top 4D. What should of happened back in the day is management should of given up on the cup push and rebuilt around phaneuf and a few others. While clearing out salary and at that time younger more valuable guys like iginla and such.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Red John

As bad as that trade was for the Flames, the $7 million in cap space is arguably worth more than Phaneuf if there was a viable alternative in free agency.

But there isn't a viable option so the 7 million in space is not remotely close to Phaneuf.

It was a horrible deal for the Flames and a great deal for the Leafs.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by strombad

You've listened to BigTuna a little too much.

On the market he probably would have got some big cash from a mediocre team with plenty of room, but it likely would've been 7 on those teams and closer to 6 on a contender.

If you don't think signing Clarkson and Bozak to big money had anything to do with what Phaneuf got, you're wrong. Phaneuf did not take a discount to play for the Leafs.

IMO, Edmonton would have backed up the truck to the tune of $8M for Phaneuf. I'm sure with a little thought and capgeek research, there would have been 6+ teams that would have paid at least $7+ for him.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Red John

You're the Feaster/Weisbrod of this board. Always thinking you're smarter than everyone else knowing something that nobody else does.

We've all seen a ton of Phaneuf having had him here, and then having Leaves games forced down our throats every Saturday night on CBC. He comes as advertised and this board is probably more knowledgeable of what he brings than most.

Thing is, his own peers think he's overrated, his defensive game was never good and his offensive game has regressed. He's a good defenseman now, not a great one. A top-4 guy still, but not elite. And he's now making $7 million a year.

As bad as that trade was for the Flames, the $7 million in cap space is arguably worth more than Phaneuf if there was a viable alternative in free agency. The fact that there likely won't be is probably the only reason the Leaves did this. That, and the Leaves like to overpay mediocre players ever since Burke left.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

4 NHL players out of 600 think that. And his defensive game has been superb this year. He's shutting down the game's top stars, and hardly any 5 on 5 goals are scored when he's on the ice (less than Chara in Boston in fact).

You guys out out-to-lunch if you think he isn't good defensively.

And "Top 4". LOL. In what world is he a second-pairing D-Man? Forgetting about being "Overrated". You are underrating him severely.

And no way in hell does Dion take a paycut as a UFA next July. You are delusional.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by strombad

The problem is (as another poster previously mentioned) that when you pay David Clarkson 5.25, you essentially take away any negotiating power you have to pay your top guys anything less than 7.

Way too much for Phaneuf, but Toronto set it's own market. Even average guys get 5 million over there.

Come on. Only the Leafs overpay?

[Red John]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

4 NHL players out of 600 think that. And his defensive game has been superb this year. He's shutting down the game's top stars, and hardly any 5 on 5 goals are scored when he's on the ice (less than Chara in Boston in fact).

Most overrated player in NHL according to his peers. More than 4 players think he's overrated.

You guys out out-to-lunch if you think he isn't good defensively.

No, you are. There's a reason he's a left shot and still not getting considered seriously for Team Canada. His defensive game has always been suspect for a guy who is supposedly an elite defenseman.

And "Top 4". LOL. In what world is he a second-pairing D-Man? Forgetting about being "Overrated". You are underrating him severely.

Nope. He's a top pair guy for the Leafs but there's a reason they're an average team and will be for some time.

And no way in hell does Dion take a paycut as a UFA next July. You are delusional.

Never said he would. Read the post again.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Red John

Most overrated player in NHL according to his peers. More than 4 players think he's overrated.



No, you are. There's a reason he's a left shot and not getting considered for Team Canada. His defensive game has always been suspect for a guy who is supposedly an elite defenseman.



Nope. He's a top pair guy for the Leafs but there's a reason they're an average team and will be for some time.



Never said he would. Read the post again.

No. It was 4. Look it up. That poll only asked 30 NHL players and 4 answered Dion. That's it. You're exaggerating the importance of 4 guys naming him.

It was not a poll of all NHL players like you seem to think.

Dion is now very, very underrated. Who cares about Team Canada? He's shutting down the world's best players nightly in the NHL.

[Red John]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

No. It was 4. Look it up. That poll only asked 30 NHL players and 4 answered Dion. That's it. You're exaggerating the importance of 4 guys naming him.

It was not a poll of all NHL players like you seem to think.

Dion is now very, very underrated. Who cares about Team Canada? He's shutting down the world's best players nightly in the NHL.

No 4 out of 30 said he was the MOST overrated. Many more likely believe he is overrated but not the most overrated.

Also it stands to reason that if 4 out of 30 believe Phaneuf is the most overrated, if you poll the other 570 players in the NHL there will likely be many more that believe he is overrated to some degree.

Toronto allows 36.4 shots a game. Worst in the NHL. Phaneuf is shutting down the worlds best players nightly all right.

[Iggy Snipe]

Unfortunately, thats probably a good signing for Toronto. 7 million is about right for Dion in the going market. Plays big minutes, and all situations. Has offensive upside too.

Remember, the salary cap is going up, so Toronto can afford this hit. Phaneuf won't even be that old when his contract is up.