[News] Hockey Canada's WJC selection camp (no Flames prospects make roster)

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by chockfullofgoodness

We're not talking about the Olympics. We're talking about kids playing in a tournament that very few people outside of Canada give a S*** about. Too many people here take it way too seriously.

Yes thank you, I was referring to WJC not Olympics. The Olympics is a whole different ballgame. I wouldn't cheer for Hudler and Smid over Canada. However, cheering against Baertschi and team Swiss would be tough if that ever happened...

This will be the first time, since I've been old enough to care, that the Flames won't have a player on Team Canada's Olympic roster...

Will Sven make Swiss roster? Berra?

[chockfullofgoodness]

Originally Posted by strombad

Boo, no.

The WJC is pretty darn big in Scandinavia. As well, the Olympics aren't some magical tournament that is of the utmost importance to everyone. Even the US aren't that concerned with the Winter Olympics, let alone the hockey tournament.

I've never heard of any fans of any sport cheering for opposing countries because their favourite player is on that squad, unless of course their own squad is eliminated. People are ridiculous sometimes.

But it still a hell of a lot more important than the WJC. The Olympic tournament is the only time hockey gets ANY semblance of international exposure. Give your head a shake.

[moon]

Originally Posted by T@T

How about you tell us what exactly makes Anderson, Bigras and Girard better than Pulock, Poirier or even Domi.

Good luck!

I never made the claim they were better and commented earlier about not seeing enough of the Q.

What I do know is that qualified scouts who are the best at what they do did chose them and that is better than random statements of 2x better and he can do anything they do.

[moon]

Originally Posted by T@T

I hope Gillies shuts them out in the semis and they don't get a medal just so HC fails at another. hopefully then big changes will come to end the ######ed political bias crap that goes on.

HC has built teams that have medaled 18 of the past 20 years with 15 of those being Gold/Silver.

Seems like "######ed political bias" is working just fine.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

I'm pretty sure he can go to Abby for a conditioning stint. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but Sean actually got injured, unlike the Sabres/Grigorenko situation

From an article about Grigorenko:

The Sabres announced the decision Wednesday, a day after Grigorenko was among three rookies assigned to AHL Rochester. Under league rules, teams are allowed to assign players on conditioning stints lasting no more than 14 days.

The ruling limits Buffalo's options. The Sabres must choose between keeping the 19-year-old in Buffalo or returning Grigorenko to his Canadian junior team in Quebec.

"We determined that the assignment would not have been consistent with our obligations under the league's agreement with the CHL," said NHL spokesman Frank Brown.

I tried to find the agreement with the CHL and the only thing I found was that 19 year olds can not play in the AHL (they must turn 20 in that calendar year) if they were drafted and played out of the CHL. Obviously with the injury they could try to challenge it. I just don't think the NHL would bite.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by chockfullofgoodness

But it still a hell of a lot more important than the WJC. The Olympic tournament is the only time hockey gets ANY semblance of international exposure. Give your head a shake.

Right. Because all the countries that participate in the hockey tournament don't have a large amount of hockey exposure already. How does exposure even matter? I'm talking about the teams involved, and the teams consistently involved in both tournaments are almost all hockey-rich nations that don't require "exposure," so I'm not sure what point you were fumbling towards.

These tournaments only matter to countries that care about hockey, that's it. A win for Canada doesn't mean that much less in the WJC than it does in the Olympics? Why? Because both tournaments are highly valued by almost all of the participating nations. They don't mean much, but it's about pride. To say they are incredibly different in importance to the nations that matter is, to say it politely, a bit naive.

If exposure is your concern, then trust me, a country like Japan, or Brazil, or Spain doesn't care who wins the WJC or Olympic gold.

Using "give your head a shake" is a great way of being hilariously dismissive, but it didn't strengthen your point any.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by moon

I never made the claim they were better and commented earlier about not seeing enough of the Q.

What I do know is that qualified scouts who are the best at what they do did chose them and that is better than random statements of 2x better and he can do anything they do.

So I guess your question: "What exactly makes Pulock, Poirier and Domi better than Anderson, Bigras and Girard?" was just a drive by troll comment then.

If you you can't answer your own question just keep your trap shut.

And if you think qualified scouts make the decisions for HC...think again.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by moon

HC has built teams that have medaled 18 of the past 20 years with 15 of those being Gold/Silver.

Seems like "######ed political bias" is working just fine.

A blind monkey could pick a medal team from canada's youth, with the talent pool we have we should never be worst than silver.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by strombad

Right. Because all the countries that participate in the hockey tournament don't have a large amount of hockey exposure already. How does exposure even matter? I'm talking about the teams involved, and the teams consistently involved in both tournaments are almost all hockey-rich nations that don't require "exposure," so I'm not sure what point you were fumbling towards.

These tournaments only matter to countries that care about hockey, that's it. A win for Canada doesn't mean that much less in the WJC than it does in the Olympics? Why? Because both tournaments are highly valued by almost all of the participating nations. They don't mean much, but it's about pride. To say they are incredibly different in importance to the nations that matter is, to say it politely, a bit naive.

If exposure is your concern, then trust me, a country like Japan, or Brazil, or Spain doesn't care who wins the WJC or Olympic gold.

Using "give your head a shake" is a great way of being hilariously dismissive, but it didn't strengthen your point any.

Japan and Spain have teams in the World Juniors

[strombad]

Originally Posted by T@T

So I guess your question: "What exactly makes Pulock, Poirier and Domi better than Anderson, Bigras and Girard?" was just a drive by troll comment then.

If you you can't answer your own question just keep your trap shut.

And if you think qualified scouts make the decisions for HC...think again.

Uhhhh, so people can't ask questions they don't already know the answer to?
You're making moon look pretty good right now, that was a ridiculous comment.

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Japan and Spain have teams in the World Juniors

OBVIOUSLY I was referring to the top division, considering Japan and Spain don't take part in the WJC :P

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Shinkaruk is more accomplished at the junior level though. You don't just throw out 3 years of his career and his 100+ goals in the WHL level simply because he has played through a hip injury for most of the year so far.

I looked at the stats for Domi, Poirier, and Shinkurak. The thing about Shinkaruk is he is playing his 4th year in the WHL. He has played 211 regular season games which is a good 67 games more then Domi and 71 more then Poirier. Both Domi and Porier are hovering near 70 goals (69 and 67) so all things being equal I don't see Shinkurak that far head in the goal scoring department. Both Poirier and Domi, IMO, bring more intangibles to the table.

The thing I don't like about Shinkurak is his ppg keeps dropping. He should be doing a lot better in the WHL at his age. His ppg has dropped .5 from last year to .88. That is a bit of a red flag for me.

[moon]

Originally Posted by T@T

So I guess your question: "What exactly makes Pulock, Poirier and Domi better than Anderson, Bigras and Girard?" was just a drive by troll comment then.

If you you can't answer your own question just keep your trap shut.

And if you think qualified scouts make the decisions for HC...think again.

It wasn't a drive by it was asking a guy to back up the claim he made.

If he is going to say that player x should be on the team over player y then they should have a reason other than looking at stats.

Lol @ the scouts aren't qualified.

[moon]

Originally Posted by T@T

A blind monkey could pick a medal team from canada's youth, with the talent pool we have we should never be worst than silver.

Well then in that case the "######ed political bias" doesn't matter then since the talent pool is so good.

And if you haven't noticed we rarely finish worse than Silver.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by moon

It wasn't a drive by it was asking a guy to back up the claim he made.

If he is going to say that player x should be on the team over player y then they should have a reason other than looking at stats.

Lol @ the scouts aren't qualified.

I didn't say scouts aren't qualified, I said HC don't make their selections based on their word. one of my best buddies is a pro scout, they give their thoughts on a player (usually just in writing) and that's it until the boss asks for a second look.

Fact is Poirier should be on this team over players such as Anderson,Girard,Shinkaruk,Leier,Hudon and probably even Laughton. I guarantee 99% of scouts would agree.

[neo45]

Drouin - Monahan - Mantha
Horvat - Laughton - Rychel
McDavid - Petan - Reinhart
Anderson - Hudon - Girard

Reinhart - Dumba
Pouliot - Severson
Morrissey - Ekblad


I actually think it looks pretty good. A lot of good 19 year olds which is a big deal in this tournament. Goaltending is again the weak spot (they do need to add another goalie)

Originally Posted by T@T

I didn't say scouts aren't qualified, I said HC don't make their selections based on their word. one of my best buddies is a pro scout, they give their thoughts on a player (usually just in writing) and that's it until the boss asks for a second look.

Fact is Poirier should be on this team over players such as Anderson,Girard,Shinkaruk,Leier,Hudon and probably even Laughton. I guarantee 99% of scouts would agree.

I guarantee 99% disagree on those last two. Laughton will probably be captain


Unless 99% of scouts are huge Flames fans

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by T@T

So I guess your question: "What exactly makes Pulock, Poirier and Domi better than Anderson, Bigras and Girard?" was just a drive by troll comment then.

If you you can't answer your own question just keep your trap shut.

And if you think qualified scouts make the decisions for HC...think again.

Originally Posted by T@T

I didn't say scouts aren't qualified, I said HC don't make their selections based on their word. one of my best buddies is a pro scout, they give their thoughts on a player (usually just in writing) and that's it until the boss asks for a second look.

Fact is Poirier should be on this team over players such as Anderson,Girard,Shinkaruk,Leier,Hudon and probably even Laughton. I guarantee 99% of scouts would agree.

ummmm

[T@T]

Originally Posted by neo45

Drouin - Monahan - Mantha
Horvat - Laughton - Rychel
McDavid - Petan - Reinhart
Anderson - Hudon - Girard

Reinhart - Dumba
Pouliot - Severson
Morrissey - Ekblad


I actually think it looks pretty good. A lot of good 19 year olds which is a big deal in this tournament. Goaltending is again the weak spot (they do need to add another goalie)




I guarantee 99% disagree on those last two. Laughton will probably be captain


Unless 99% of scouts are huge Flames fans

Please explain why you think Hudon and Laughton are better suited for this team or better players than Poirier ?

And I don't even think Laughton is captain on his junior team.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

ummmm

Ummmm what?..can't read or just understand?

[strombad]

Originally Posted by T@T

Please explain why you think Hudon and Laughton are better suited for this team or better players than Poirier ?

And I don't even think Laughton is captain on his junior team.

Don't ask a question that you don't know the answer to. Hilarious!

Originally Posted by T@T

So I guess your question: "What exactly makes Pulock, Poirier and Domi better than Anderson, Bigras and Girard?" was just a drive by troll comment then.

If you you can't answer your own question just keep your trap shut.

And if you think qualified scouts make the decisions for HC...think again.

[moon]

Originally Posted by T@T

Please explain why you think Hudon and Laughton are better suited for this team or better players than Poirier ?

And I don't even think Laughton is captain on his junior team.

Laughton is a center and likely the checking line center for the team. I don't think him and Poirier are really competing for a spot since Poirier is playing wing. He is a former first round who almost made the Flyers last year so he isn't exactly some chump off the street.

Hudon made the team last year and missed out on the tournament because of injury. With a year more of experience tough to see them not taking him. He is a responsible two way player that showed good chemistry with Drouin and Mantha already. He can keep up with them offensively and provide the necessary defensive responsibility that allows them the freedom to focus on offense.