If Ford goes to rehab, comes out all clean and sober and having dropped like 50 pounds, and talks about making amends, I think he wins an election. It says a lot about the other candidates when Ford can be a drunken buffoon who smokes crack and his popularity doesn't drop.
Basically right now he could sit in front of a T.V. camera and stare psychotically at the screen while slowly snapping the necks of kittens and he has a better then average chance of winning.
He becomes the ultimate underdog pity vote if he plays this right, stupid but true.
I think it says more about voters than the other candidates. People get so entrenched in their positions and want so badly to be right when they support a candidate, that they are willing to keep supporting a candidate just to hopefully get redemption.
Ford certainly isn't winning new voters. It's the same people who voted for him before that continue to support him. Their vote was decided long before any of this stuff came out about Rob Ford.
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Is that your prediction as of today? Would you wager on that?
I think this will get REALLY interesting if Olivia Chow jumps in. Then you will REALLY have the latté sippers vs yop gobblers.
I think this is the lowest his poll numbers will get, and if 34% is his floor (thats assuming no rehab) I have a very hard time believing anyone can actually beat him. The suburbs just have the votes to get the job done and as long as their taxes go down Rob can pretty much smoke crack, engaging in 15 hooker gang bangs, whatever, they don't care. Unless there's another pro-suburbs candidate to challenge Ford, I think he'll win again.
So I'd probably wager about $5 bucks he wins again. Of course with the way this whole thing has unfolded and his tendancy to consistently be his own worst enemy, he could be in jail by next election which might make things difficult.
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As a Calgarian who only sees this from afar though, where has the first four years really taken Toronto? Part of the amazing thing is that Ford smokes crack and Toronto is...well Toronto. Seems like everything is pretty much fine?
Maybe that speaks to the mayor as more of a figurehead than anything? Its interesting.
I wouldn't say everything is fine.
Gang violence is on the rise and many of the roads and expressways are crumbling. I'm not saying that Toronto didn't have a revenue problem and that cuts needed to be made, but Ford's complete disdain for inner-city communities and infrastructure upgrades is really hurting Toronto IMO. I can see Toronto becoming like Detroit soon as more and more wealthy people are chased from the core to the suburbs.
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I dunno, I just don't see it. I think there is a current surge in his popularity simply because he's a popular news item right now, and of course, a lot of the rabid supporters are just reacting angrily as they seem him being attacked. But a lot of that initial combative spirit often erodes over time. People just get tired, and they calm down and reassess.
I guess if they do vote him back in, they get what they deserve.
It's true that if he does leave, and comes back clean he has a very good chance to win, I don't deny that. But I'm not sure how likely that is. He seems bent on staying and definitely shows no desire to clean up or sober up. In fact, he looks like his own worst enemy right now. So poll numbers definitely could go down yet. He has another drunken outing (cause of all the pressure right now!) and does something dumb or pisses of the wrong people... there's a lot of ways he could torpedo himself.
And of course, on the opposite side of the spectrum of personal growth and vindication, there's still the very real possibility that he gets charged with something. This investigation ain't over by a long shot.
So I'm not sure. He could get re-elected for sure, especially if he does the right things. But to say it's 'likely' or that voters will put him back in as is, is a bit of a stretch for me.
Man, If I'm Rob Ford, I'd step down and milk this publicity for the ~3 mil its likely worth... Then I'd retire and smoke my crack without worry.
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Man, If I'm Rob Ford, I'd step down and milk this publicity for the ~3 mil its likely worth... Then I'd retire and smoke my crack without worry.
The difference between you and Rob Ford is that you're not a megalomaniac. He's already quite wealthy from his father's business interests, so ~$3M isn't the same motivator to him that it is to me and you. He won't step down because he genuinely and truly believes that only he and his inner circle of allies can save the good people of Toronto from the latte sipper gravy train.
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This should be interesting. Hopefully not the sex tape.
@TorStarEditor #robford the Toronto Star is working on a new exclusive on the mayor. There's a video but not THE video. More soon.
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source who was provided alleged details of what was said in the video told the Sun that words used by Ford in the undated video are graphic and disturbing.
They reportedly include:
• "I'm going to kill that f..ing guy. I'm telling you it's first-degree murder ... He dies or I die, brother."
• "When he's down, I'll rip his f..ing throat out" and "I'll poke his eyes out" and "I'll make sure that motherf....'s dead."
• "No one is" going to "f... around with me" and when it comes to he and his "brothers . . don't tell me we're liars."
A source close to the mayor confirmed it is Ford in the video and that it "looks a lot worse than it really is" since "he sometimes goes off on tangents" and a few minutes later everything is fine.
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I like how Ford's only defenses seem to be other personality defects. Smoking crack? Just another drunken stupor. Violently threatening the lives of other people? Just another rage tangent, no worries.
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Dude when it comes to the Canucks, it could be a team of Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Augusto Pinochet, Josef Stalin and Kim Jong Il and if one of them scores against the Canucks you take it.
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I don't get the whole Iron Sheik thing. Didn't he have his own cocaine issues at one time?
Does it have to do with the fact that Hulk Hogan visited a while back? Sort of a set up promo sort of thing? Weren't Hulk and Iron Sheik the big duo/enemies?
Sheik has a comedy roast coming up in Toronto tonight, so he's drumming up interest. Plus it's just entertaining as hell when Sheikie gets going on something.
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The Tyson Zone is dangerously close to being renamed the Ford Zone. Its ironic that his refusal to resign is only going to ensure this story gets bigger and more bizarre.
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Does it have to do with the fact that Hulk Hogan visited a while back? Sort of a set up promo sort of thing? Weren't Hulk and Iron Sheik the big duo/enemies?
Just guessing here.
Sheik is trying to get publicity to finance his movie.
