Iginla vs. Nieuwendyk: Who was the better player? - Page 4 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Cheese · 10-23-2013, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Many = Everyone but you and a couple others by the way.

Say what you want about Iginla's last couple years in Calgary but he was an unquestioned NHL superstar.

An unquestioned superstar leads his team to championships.
I always suggested he was a great player but never a superstar. Never hid behind his last few years.
Iggy is/was very media friendly on top of being a good player...that combo created the superstar impression.

puckluck2 · 10-23-2013, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheese

They were both excellent players who had different skill sets. Neither player was a superstar although many certainly put Iginla on that mantle.

2 players who without a doubt will be in the hall of fame and who both have scored more than 500 goals weren't superstars?

Cheese · 10-23-2013, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by puckluck2

2 players who without a doubt will be in the hall of fame and who both have scored more than 500 goals weren't superstars?

There are a lot of 500 goal scorers who were very good players but not superstars. Guess it depends on your definition of a superstar.

superstar - someone who is dazzlingly skilled in any field

Yakbutter · 10-23-2013, 08:32 PM

Different era's, different positions...stupid comparison.

puckluck2 · 10-23-2013, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheese

There are a lot of 500 goal scores who were very good players but not superstars. Guess it depends on your definition of a superstar.

Name a couple in the modern era who had 500 goals who weren't considered superstars.

And just because your definition is different doesn't mean it is right. Iginla was a superstar without an ounce of doubt. And so was Nieuwendyk.

Machiavelli · 10-23-2013, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheese

An unquestioned superstar leads his team to championships.

So Iginla was one call in game 6 away from being a superstar?

I know we're all entitled to our opinions, but come on.

Cheese · 10-23-2013, 08:37 PM

Brendan Shanahan
Dino Ciccarelli
Mark Recchi
Michel Goulet
Keith Tkachuk
Jeremy Roenick

All very good players...none superstars. All 500 goal scorers.

Flash Walken · 10-23-2013, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by edslunch

It's debatable who had the best career. But Calgary traded half of Joe's career for all of Jarome's. Calgary wins

I don't think it's debatable. Nieuwendyk has the edge in personal statistics and team accomplishments.

If anything, this thread might be establishing the relative underappreciation of the 3 time cup winner, 1 time conn smythe, 560 goal scoring two-way centre.

Right now, All time:

Neuwendyk: GP 1257 G 564 P 1126
Iginla: GP 1239 G 530 P 1108

Nieuwendyk only hung them up 6 years ago.

I bet if you count up the dead puck era goals scored by both of them since Jarome came into the league that Nieuwendyk isn't that far behind Iginla's total, and might be ahead of it in Goals Per Game. One guy's prime vs. another's decline.

Someone wanna do the math?

jeffman · 10-23-2013, 08:46 PM

Iggy for me. the fact that he could score 3 goals against the other team and kick the asS of their shut down d man is just bad ass

puckluck2 · 10-23-2013, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I don't think it's debatable. Nieuwendyk has the edge in personal statistics and team accomplishments.

If anything, this thread might be establishing the relative underappreciation of the 3 time cup winner, 1 time conn smythe, 560 goal scoring two-way centre.

Right now, All time:

Neuwendyk: GP 1257 G 564 P 1126
Iginla: GP 1239 G 530 P 1108

Nieuwendyk only hung them up 6 years ago.

I bet if you count up the dead puck era goals scored by both of them since Jarome came into the league that Nieuwendyk isn't that far behind Iginla's total, and might be ahead of it in Goals Per Game. One guy's prime vs. another's decline.

Someone wanna do the math?

I will eat my pubes if Nieuwendyk's "dead puck" goals are any where near Iginla's goals.

The dead puck era started when? Joe scored almost half his career NHL goals in his first 6 NHL seasons.

puckluck2 · 10-23-2013, 08:52 PM

In his final 13 seasons Nieuwendyk cracked 30 goals twice.

Tyler12 · 10-23-2013, 08:53 PM

Iggy vs Joe Fight! wait. I respect both but am by far an Iggy Fan.

Tyler12 · 10-23-2013, 08:54 PM

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MrMastodonFarm · 10-23-2013, 09:06 PM

Wait, the dead puck era are now Iginla's prime scoring years, thus eliminating a 50 season, a forty goal season and five 30 goal seasons?

You'd have to be a head case to believe that.

Oling_Roachinen · 10-23-2013, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheese

An unquestioned superstar leads his team to championships.

Yeah, Bourque never really reached that superstar status until leaving Boston for Colorado.

MrMastodonFarm · 10-23-2013, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheese

An unquestioned superstar leads his team to championships.
I always suggested he was a great player but never a superstar. Never hid behind his last few years.
Iggy is/was very media friendly on top of being a good player...that combo created the superstar impression.

For my own curiosity, what's Joe Thornton's status?

jlh2640 · 10-23-2013, 09:14 PM

Jarome looks like a new man in Boston. Jarome all the way and I'm a huge joe fan !

stemit14 · 10-23-2013, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Laner99

Iggy = leader
Nieuwendyk = stanley cups

Stanley cups >>>>leaders so I take Nieuwendyk.

I hate when people use his lack if Stanley cups as a reason for iginla being a lesser player... I would think this is the last place where I would have to remind people of the biggest missed goal call in hockey history during game 6 of the 2004 Stanley cup final. What he did in the 2004 playoffs was legendary and is still considered one of the greatest playoff performances OF ALL TIME! I still get chills watching what conroy called "The greatest shift ever played".

dissentowner · 10-23-2013, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

For my own curiosity, what's Joe Thornton's status?

Well played sir, very well played.

redforever · 10-23-2013, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

I'm surprised at amount of people going for Nieuwendyk. For me it's Iginla by quite a wide margin. I don't think Nieuwendyk was ever a top 10 player in the league or even at any time the best player on his team. Iginla was both of those for the bulk of his career. And Iginla isn't done yet.

Interesting debate for sure, maybe I will have to rethink it.

Iginla
Macinnis
MacDonald
Niewendyk

personally, I would never put MacDonald over Nieuwendyk.