10-09-2013, 10:13 PM
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#601
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Calgary
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Funniest thing I've seen so far this election.... On Facebook Ron Leech calling Carter a "bozo".....
.....(must resist urge to type "that's rich coming from you")
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10-10-2013, 08:33 AM
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#602
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Behind Nikkor Glass
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Gonna go hit the new Election Bus down at the Somerset / Bridlewood LRT station.
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10-10-2013, 12:25 PM
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#603
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Behind Nikkor Glass
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Had a quick interview with Bindu Suri and they just showed my unshaven mug on the Global noon news. Have they no standards?
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10-10-2013, 01:25 PM
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#604
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Calgary
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Bindu is cute. I'll have to wait for the video to go online before passing judgement on you.
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10-10-2013, 11:07 PM
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#606
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Bunk
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Oh what, Calgarypuck not good enough for His Worship?
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10-10-2013, 11:16 PM
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#607
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Oh what, Calgarypuck not good enough for His Worship?
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Never has been.
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10-11-2013, 11:48 AM
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#608
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Oh what, Calgarypuck not good enough for His Worship?
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Oh what, my AMA is not good enough for Calgarypuck?
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10-12-2013, 08:29 AM
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#610
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Section 120
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If Nenshi and his slate are elected I think Calgary is in BIG trouble.
They are going to try to grow up and not out... Sounds cool but will really drive the prices of single family homes up and the young working class will not be able to afford to buy them.
The reason why Calgary grows out and not up is because of basic economics: supply and demand! Nenshi and his slate don't have a clue about business.
How many people want to raise families on the 11th floor of a beltline residential development?
I sure don't.
Also, Nenshi's argument that developers steal $4,800 / house from taxpayers neglects the fact that developers fund, but are not obligated to fund, recreation centers, parks, and more amounting to approximately $4,300 / house. That's a $500 subsidy, not a $4,800 subsidy. In addition, developers front-end that, driving IRR's way down. In addition, taxpayers subsidize inner-city development like East Village.
Last edited by Bourque's Twin; 10-12-2013 at 08:38 AM.
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10-12-2013, 09:38 AM
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#611
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Supporting Urban Sprawl
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Luckily the only option if people are forced to pay a few thousand more for new homes they want to build , is for them to move into the beltline.
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10-12-2013, 10:39 AM
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#612
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Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin
If Nenshi and his slate are elected I think Calgary is in BIG trouble.
They are going to try to grow up and not out... Sounds cool but will really drive the prices of single family homes up and the young working class will not be able to afford to buy them.
The reason why Calgary grows out and not up is because of basic economics: supply and demand! Nenshi and his slate don't have a clue about business.
How many people want to raise families on the 11th floor of a beltline residential development?
I sure don't.
Also, Nenshi's argument that developers steal $4,800 / house from taxpayers neglects the fact that developers fund, but are not obligated to fund, recreation centers, parks, and more amounting to approximately $4,300 / house. That's a $500 subsidy, not a $4,800 subsidy. In addition, developers front-end that, driving IRR's way down. In addition, taxpayers subsidize inner-city development like East Village.
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Sigh. I won't even bother.
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10-12-2013, 11:51 AM
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#613
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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I'm conflicted. Does that post deserve an "Oh the huge manatee", or a hysterical Maude Flanders reference, in response?
Also, is it me or is the world "slate" the most overused buzzword of this election. I'm not sure who first started it, but I wish it would die already.
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10-12-2013, 12:18 PM
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#614
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Voted for Kodos
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Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin
If Nenshi and his slate are elected I think Calgary is in BIG trouble.
They are going to try to grow up and not out... Sounds cool but will really drive the prices of single family homes up and the young working class will not be able to afford to buy them.
The reason why Calgary grows out and not up is because of basic economics: supply and demand! Nenshi and his slate don't have a clue about business.
How many people want to raise families on the 11th floor of a beltline residential development?
I sure don't.
Also, Nenshi's argument that developers steal $4,800 / house from taxpayers neglects the fact that developers fund, but are not obligated to fund, recreation centers, parks, and more amounting to approximately $4,300 / house. That's a $500 subsidy, not a $4,800 subsidy. In addition, developers front-end that, driving IRR's way down. In addition, taxpayers subsidize inner-city development like East Village.
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I don't see anyone, including Nenshi, who wants to end building new SFH subdivisions. I see people trying to have those new subdivisions be built better.
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10-12-2013, 01:08 PM
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#615
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by Table 5
I'm conflicted. Does that post deserve an "Oh the huge manatee", or a hysterical Maude Flanders reference, in response?
Also, is it me or is the world "slate" the most overused buzzword of this election. I'm not sure who first started it, but I wish it would die already.
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Is there any slate anyway? Its been bandied about for the school board campaign as well, and I agree...its way over-used and doesn't seem applicable to anything I've seen.
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10-12-2013, 03:28 PM
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#616
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Section 120
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Originally Posted by Bunk
Sigh. I won't even bother.
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Let's see what you've got.
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10-12-2013, 09:02 PM
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#618
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin
Let's see what you've got.
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Alright - what you're presenting as his position doesn't remotely resemble reality.
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They are going to try to grow up and not out... Sounds cool but will really drive the prices of single family homes up and the young working class will not be able to afford to buy them.
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Nowhere has the Mayor ever suggested we only grow up and not out. Of course both will happen.
'Growing up' will have no material impact on the price of a house in a community that's 'growing out'.
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The reason why Calgary grows out and not up is because of basic economics: supply and demand! Nenshi and his slate don't have a clue about business.
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Calgary does grow up and out and this is because of enabling policy, by-laws and investment, but is mostly driven by the market. No one is forcing redevelopment (growing up) to happen, it is market driven and the City facilitates that market through provision of infrastructure and policy (just as it does in new communities as well). Redevelopment is in fact far more constrained by policy than new development.
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How many people want to raise families on the 11th floor of a beltline residential development?
I sure don't.
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False dichotomy. There isn't some choice being made that would stop single family home development, and force people to live in a Beltline condo. In any event, the market is driving many different housing choices in between single family detached and high rise condo. Most new subdivisions have singles, semis, rows, back-to-backs and low-rise condo. If you're asserting that the City's policy is driving densities in new communities higher than would otherwise happen in the market, that's false too. The City does have a minimum density, but practically all new subdivisions substantially exceed the minimum (developers often tout this fact). That is to say, it is a market driven decision by developers - they are not struggling to meet unrealistically high density requirements.
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Also, Nenshi's argument that developers steal $4,800 / house from taxpayers neglects the fact that developers fund, but are not obligated to fund, recreation centers, parks, and more amounting to approximately $4,300 / house. That's a $500 subsidy, not a $4,800 subsidy. In addition, developers front-end that, driving IRR's way down. In addition, taxpayers subsidize inner-city development like East Village.
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He never suggested they "steal" $4800 - he's arguing it's fair that development pay for the full cost of the initial outlay of capital and that not doing so amounts to a subsidy. The community and recreation charge cannot be unilaterally imposed by a municipality under the MGA, so it is negotiated into the agreement. The fact that it is not imposable, has little to do with whether it's necessary infrastructure for the build out of a community. It's been suggested that this is a "good will tax" that developers pay to buy a smoother planning process. Not only is such a concept absurd, it's also offensive. I asked a couple large land developers whether the motivation for negotiating in the community and rec portion of the acreage assessment was for "good will" - I got very puzzled looks. The answer was no - if we can't get things like fire halls built, we have no new community development - the City has to pay for it somehow.
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10-12-2013, 09:17 PM
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#619
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Apartment 5A
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