Breaking Bad

[Bertuzzied]

From a podcast. Gilligan gives some insight into the finale. WOW. That would have been crazy if Skyler killed herself.

http://www.thestar.com/entertainment...ad_finale.html

Gilligan was originally going to have Skyler kill herself. She was going to slit her wrists in a bathtub. The other writers tried to talk him out of it, arguing that it was too dark, and Gilligan finally decided it was “a bridge too far.”

When the last season premiered, they still didn’t know what Walt was going to do with the M-60. They didn’t even have Jack and his neo-Nazis yet.

They didn’t know yet what the ricin was for, either.

They talked about having Walt get away, get a new job and even get a new wife. In writers’ earlier brainstorming sessions, there was even going to be a scene of Walt cooking peanut brittle.

The last episode is titled “Felina” because it’s an anagram for finale and because of the character of that name in Marty Robbins’ El Paso. Gilligan mentions nothing about the popular theory that it corresponds to Fe (iron, for blood), Li (lithium, for meth) and Na (for sodium, or tears), so that may have just been a coincidence.

A dying boy’s wish may have prompted Gilligan to change the ending. When Gilligan visited 16-year-old cancer patient Kevin Cordasco, Cordasco said he wanted to know more about Gretchen and Elliot. This in turn helped Gilligan think of bringing back the Grey Matter couple for the finale, though Cordasco never saw the episode. (He died in March.)

That gun turret really worked. In the script, Walt built the sentry gun’s base with a windshield-wiper motor, but the on-set special effects crew pointed out that the motor was likely to be too weak. Instead, they suggested a garage-door motor. “That thing is really as it appears to be,” Gilligan says, pointing out that it runs on just a 12-volt battery.

When Walt says “I did it for me,” Gilligan says he means it. Gilligan says he always knew that Walt was doing everything for himself, but as a viewer, he says he needed to hear him say it.

[Bertuzzied]

Some more alternate endings Gilligan had in mind. I think they chose the right one.

http://arts.nationalpost.com/2013/10...uld-have-seen/

Early on, Gilligan favoured an ending that would have seen Skyler turning suicidal, unable to cope with the man Walt had become. The writers talked through an ending that would have the Whites hiding out at a Motel 6 and Walt trying to soothe his wife through the closed door, prying it open to find her bloody body in the tub. Gilligan says he let it go when a writer said the suicide was “a bridge too far.” One ending floating around since before the finale season even began filming had drug-dealers killing Jesse Pinkman. A revenge-seeking Walter would then shackle the killer in the basement with a shotgun trip wire. Calling back to season one’s Krazy 8 capture, it was going to end with Walt Jr. offering the dealer water, at which point the drug-dealer would trip the wire killing both himself and Walt’s son.
Another early plan had Walter White going wild on the bad guys with his machine gun. But, said Gilligan, it “felt wrong for Walt to go out brawn over brain, go out like Rambo. Walt on his best day was never Rambo.” In a revision to that plan, Walt would gun down the good-guy police officers that had come for him.
Gilligan said they also debated having Walt use the M60 on the Nazis, albeit in a different way than Sunday’s finale. In the other version, Jesse would be jailed, with the Nazis closing in for the kill. Walt would have arrived with the M60 to break him out.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

The writers talked through an ending that would have the Whites hiding out at a Motel 6 and Walt trying to soothe his wife through the closed door, prying it open to find her bloody body in the tub. Gilligan says he let it go when a writer said the suicide was “a bridge too far.

All the ruthlessness throughout the series and this would have been the thing to take it too far?

[KTrain]

Breaking Bad is getting a remake already...in Spanish.

Meet Walter Bianco.



Meet Walter Blanco, star of Colombia's 'Breaking Bad' remake
http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/10/02/br...walter-blanco/

[Bertuzzied]

hahaha Bryan Cranston is hilarious. From an interview with "Lydia".

Were you there for the final day of shooting?
I wasn’t. I think I was there three days before the end. I missed the wrap party. My last day was my last scene. I was all decrepit and hideous for my dying scene. Bryan Cranston was right there behind the bed, whispering his lines. He really relished [saying] “good-bye, Lydia, you effer!” you know? When I finished the scene, they gave me this massive board with all these messages from everyone. It was so sweet! I wasn’t expecting anything like that. Everyone gave me a hug. It was weird to die and then walk off set. Somebody shouted, “Call 911!”

[jeep991]

Norm Macdonald's Breaking Bad theory:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/was-t...alter-whi?bfgp

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Just saw this comment on the Breaking Bad Facebook page:

Mind=blown. Even with this show over, I think over time we are going to see more and more little stats like this pop up. Hats off to the greatest show of all time.

That last episode wrapped things up so perfectly. And Walt lying in the position he did was exactly how I wanted it to end. As someone said, it the last episode wasn't meant to be a thrilling, suspenseful romp. It was the final piece of the puzzle that clicked perfectly into place. Absolute perfection.

The BrBa blueray set that I ordered arrives next month. 52 hours of bonus footage...and it includes an alternate ending. Awesome. Can't wait to sit down and watch the entire thing from start to finish without having to wait weeks/years in between episodes.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Mind=blown. Even with this show over, I think over time we are going to see more and more little stats like this pop up. Hats off to the greatest show of all time.

That last episode wrapped things up so perfectly. And Walt lying in the position he did was exactly how I wanted it to end. As someone said, it the last episode wasn't meant to be a thrilling, suspenseful romp. It was the final piece of the puzzle that clicked perfectly into place. Absolute perfection.

The BrBa blueray set that I ordered arrives next month. 52 hours of bonus footage...and it includes an alternate ending. Awesome. Can't wait to sit down and watch the entire thing from start to finish without having to wait weeks/years in between episodes.

52 hours of bonus footage and an alternate ending. I'm going to be buying my first bluray/dvd in 5 years!

uMmm holy crap it's $200!?

I wonder if Costco will get this in?

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

52 hours of bonus footage and an alternate ending. I'm going to be buying my first bluray/dvd in 5 years!

uMmm holy crap it's $200!?

I wonder if Costco will get this in?

Not sure if Cosco has it, but I got it off amazon. It's on sale right now to.

http://www.amazon.ca/Breaking-Bad-Co...g+bad+complete

Description of contents...

http://www.cinemaretro.com/index.php...VEMBER-26.html

To put it in comparison, the Dexter full version set is $300. And Dexter sucks.

[darklord700]

Just finished watching all 5 seasons of BB. The one thing I have to vent is I really don't like how Jesse has developed a conscience in S5. He cooked meth before Walt and he asked Walt to take care, meaning kill Crazy 8. He killed the entire Mexican cartel of many people. I don't agree he has the moral high ground to judge Walt.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by darklord700

Just finished watching all 5 seasons of BB. The one thing I have to vent is I really don't like how Jesse has developed a conscience in S5. He cooked meth before Walt and he asked Walt to take care, meaning kill Crazy 8. He killed the entire Mexican cartel of many people. I don't agree he has the moral high ground to judge Walt.

Jessie hated when kids got involved.

Tomas Cantillo and Drew Sharp were killed

Brock Cantillo was poisoned.


Also, Gus was the one who pretty much murdered the Mexican cartel, if I remember correctly they brought Jessie along to cook a batch for them so that they could get on their good side. I don't believe Jessie knew what was really going on.

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by DOOM

Tomas Cantillo and Drew Sharp were killed

Brock Cantillo was poisoned.

I think Tomas is killed by the two Mexican gangsters who are then killed by Walt to save Jesse.

Drew Sharp isn't killed by Walt but by Todd.

Poisoning Brock is bad but he lives and the poison Walt uses isn't lethal.

I think Jesse blames Walt for all these because he can't take it anymore even if Walt isn't the one to shoulder all the blame. Nevertheless, I still don't like Jesse's character development in S5.

[djsFlames]

**Dexter seasons 6-8 suck, let's get that much straight.

Let's not be so quick to forget the brilliance of its early days. (sorry, off subject)

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Jesse's morality paralleled Gale's. We all make our own choices and are responsible for them. If you want to smoke meth, or deal drugs, it's a free country to ahead. But by making those choices you are responsible for the ramifications there of.

That means you could end up living in a motel with no family, or murdered to protect and expand territory.

The thing is, kids don't have that choice. Kids should be given the opportunity to make their own choices, by involving them you are removing their ability to make a good choice. That's simply isn't fair according to Jesse, and why you draw the line at kids. Jesse doesn't seem to have a problem cooking meth, or working with drug dealers, because all the adults there made the choices to enter into the drug trade and do the things that they are doing.

Jessie's morality, for me anyway, has remained the same throughout. We make our own choices, we live by the consequences of those choices, but we have to be given the opportunity to be able to actually make a choice. By involving Brock, or the family of methheads with the young boy, the kids don't have the opportunity to be able to live a good and normal life, and that is where Jesse's conscience lies.

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Jessie's morality, for me anyway, has remained the same throughout. By involving Brock, or the family of methheads with the young boy, the kids don't have the opportunity to be able to live a good and normal life, and that is where Jesse's conscience lies.

Jesse literally forces Walter to kill Crazy 8 in S1 and maybe Walter pushes Jesse to kill Gale but he does it to save themselves from Gus at that time. So Jesse has no problem killing people to save his own skin.

And Jesse already knows that Broc isn't poisoned by risin but by the flower extract. Jesse may have reasons to be angry at Walter but I don't thinkt he writers build a strong enough case to make character change of Jesse resonate with me.

Emotionally, I wanted Jesse and Walter to remain friends throught the final development. And then Walter dies and Jesse walks away without the money and not direction in life, just like when the show started.

Meth cooking gives Walter something to live for for the remain of his cancer dying days and gives Jesse an experience but nothing more. That's the poetry of the show I would like to see.

The best thing of the finale is Walter finally admitting he did it for himself. I'm sure audience sense it all alone but coming out of Walter's month is the closure for me.

[missdpuck]

I jst started watching amd am up to Season 2 ep 2 I think.

Thanks for this thread because I really don't want to spend so much time on a tv show.

I've already been sucked into the "girlier, less substantial" morality play called "Revenge"

I love the pacing, the cinematography- definitely understand all the hoopla.

I just wish meth and all this crap didn't exist. But stuff like this always has I guess.

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by missdpuck

I've already been sucked into the "girlier, less substantial" morality play called "Revenge"

I love the pacing, the cinematography- definitely understand all the hoopla.

I just wish meth and all this crap didn't exist. But stuff like this always has I guess.

To me the show is more about character transformation instead of morality. And the meth and underworld are needed to facilitate the transformation.

One could also argue that the show is about acting out your inner demon in the face of death (Walter's cancer).

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by darklord700

Jesse literally forces Walter to kill Crazy 8 in S1 and maybe Walter pushes Jesse to kill Gale but he does it to save themselves from Gus at that time. So Jesse has no problem killing people to save his own skin.

And Jesse already knows that Broc isn't poisoned by risin but by the flower extract. Jesse may have reasons to be angry at Walter but I don't thinkt he writers build a strong enough case to make character change of Jesse resonate with me.

Emotionally, I wanted Jesse and Walter to remain friends throught the final development. And then Walter dies and Jesse walks away without the money and not direction in life, just like when the show started.

Meth cooking gives Walter something to live for for the remain of his cancer dying days and gives Jesse an experience but nothing more. That's the poetry of the show I would like to see.

The best thing of the finale is Walter finally admitting he did it for himself. I'm sure audience sense it all alone but coming out of Walter's month is the closure for me.

Given the situations presented above Jesse's morality remains constant. Yes he will kill to save his own hide, but he killed people who made the choice to be involved.

It appears you think that Jesse thinks murder is wrong and unacceptable. While I believe he does believe that murder is wrong, I think that Jesse believes it's acceptable if you sign the social contract of drug dealing.

I guess that's the big thing. The social contract of meth. If you're involved you consent to the possibility of killing or being killed. However, children can't consent to this social contract, hence the difference.


As for the poetry, Jesse has come around to wanting to live a normal life (woodworking) and free himself of meth. I don't think he was all about the money, why he was always hap-hazard with it.

After a year in slave labour. He's want to be free, not go back looking for past salary owed.

[missdpuck]

Originally Posted by darklord700

To me the show is more about character transformation instead of morality. And the meth and underworld are needed to facilitate the transformation.

One could also argue that the show is about acting out your inner demon in the face of death (Walter's cancer).

Good points.

I guess I'm obsessed with the meth angle because the presence of meth labs in Central Florida is spoiling my ideal of an idyllic life in the country ')

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by missdpuck

Good points.

I guess I'm obsessed with the meth angle because the presence of meth labs in Central Florida is spoiling my ideal of an idyllic life in the country ')

You didn't tell us your psychopath neighbor was a meth head.