Ongoing US Mass Shooting Thread

[DuffMan]

The one version being when the military will follow it's orders from the white house, and do whatever it is told. Sort of like what they've had grilled into them since they joined, and what they do during any mission.
Or your version being the military will be sympathetic with the common man and take sides with the general public, even though they would probably be, unorganized, without leadership, anarchistic and without clear goals. or upwards of what was it 90 % or 99.999% of the military.

correct?

[tjinaz]

The one version being when the military will follow it's orders from the white house, and do whatever it is told. Sort of like what they've had grilled into them since they joined, and what they do during any mission.

I take it from this comment you clearly have not and truly view those in the military with disdain. In your mind they are mindless automatons with no minds of their own. After all only the poor economically and mentally challenged join right?

Or your version being the military will be sympathetic with the common man and take sides with the general public, even though they would probably be, unorganized, without leadership, anarchistic and without clear goals. or upwards of what was it 90 % or 99.999% of the military.

You comment here as if the anti gun control crowd is simply a couple of rednecks talkin about the gubment while chewing tobacco and drinking beer. yet in every other thread you attribute ungodly wealth, organization and power to the same group. Pick one. Are they capable of stopping anything with the money of the NRA, Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch or are they a couple of hillbillies with big ideas?

[DuffMan]

are you saying following orders without question is just something they may or may not do while in active service? I am saying it is something they abolutely do.

Originally Posted by tjinaz

I take it from this comment you clearly have not and truly view those in the military with disdain. In your mind they are mindless automatons with no minds of their own. After all only the poor economically and mentally challenged join right?

I'd say it is a bit of both, but I really don't see them Wolverining their way to a win over the US Military, who I disagee with you that they would side with the rednecks.

Originally Posted by tjinaz

You comment here as if the anti gun control crowd is simply a couple of rednecks talkin about the gubment while chewing tobacco and drinking beer. yet in every other thread you attribute ungodly wealth, organization and power to the same group. Pick one. Are they capable of stopping anything with the money of the NRA, Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch or are they a couple of hillbillies with big ideas?

[Boblobla]

Not a mass shooting but to be filed under ####ed up...

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/25/us...t=hp_inthenews

An 8-year-old Louisiana boy intentionally shot and killed his elderly caregiver after playing a violent video game, authorities say.

[tjinaz]

Especially on constitutional matters.

The military oath taken at the time of induction reads:

“I,____________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God”

The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809.ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the “lawful command of his superior officer,” 891.ART.91 (2), the “lawful order of a warrant officer”, 892.ART.92 (1) the “lawful general order”, 892.ART.92 (2) “lawful order”. In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.

[DuffMan]

So how is it, NY is able to deny people their constitutional right to carry any sized firearm, without question?

anyways, we're way off track here discussing the Wolverines scenario.

will have to revisit this during the next mass shooting, which apparently is running at about 1 per month.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

Not a mass shooting but to be filed under ####ed up...

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/25/us...t=hp_inthenews

Yep, it was the video game that desentized the boy to guns, not the easily accessible hand guns lying around the house.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

I don't know your background, time of service, MOS or branch. But thank you for your service. So I cannot speak to your situation but I can say among those I served with they are very gun friendly and while there are a small number of exceptions they are few. We typically have a shoot day at our reunions. While they vary somewhat in political tilts most are small c conservatives and even those that vote democrat they are all pro 2nd amendment. Eventually all service members become civilians so they are part of the culture.

Having served how would you characterize the politics of your typical infantryman, tanker, artilleryman or pilot? Would you say they lean towards 2nd amendment or restriction.



Wow.. good point what ever it is...

Army, 711 (now it is 737), served all my time attached to a company of 031.


The politics of the guys I served with were all over the place. There was Big C, Small c, Big L, Little L, hell there was even an NDP fella.

Regarding 2nd ammendment, no clue, I served in Canada's army.

[evman150]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Yep, it was the video game that desentized the boy to guns, not the easily accessible hand guns lying around the house.

I'm about as anti-gun as it gets, but I still wouldn't let my 8-year old kid play COD or whatever. But perhaps that's not because of potential violence, but because it turns kids into little dip****s.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Yep, it was the video game that desentized the boy to guns, not the easily accessible hand guns lying around the house.

Video games are what is causing all of these mass shootings lately. Just ask LaPierre after Sandy Hook.

Anyways, why wouldn't you leave your child in the care of an 82 year old woman who leaves guns lieing around the house.

[chemgear]

http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/26/news...html?iid=HP_LN

As school shootings continue to make headlines, a new line of defense has emerged: bulletproof whiteboards.

The University of Maryland Eastern Shore has already snapped up 200 of them for $299 each.

The boards are made by Hardwire, a company that has supplied the military with vehicle armor and other protective gear used in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"It's a writing tablet that doubles as a bulletproof shield," said university spokesman William Robinson.

[ernie]

Shooting at US Navy Yard.

10 fatalities being reported at this time. Shooter still in building I believe.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/16/us/dc-...ots/index.html

[Coach]

Originally Posted by evman150

I'm about as anti-gun as it gets, but I still wouldn't let my 8-year old kid play COD or whatever. But perhaps that's not because of potential violence, but because it turns kids into little dip****s.

I agree I wouldn't be letting my kid play those games either, or Dead Island or anything. But why the f*** does an 8-year old have access to a gun?

[T@T]

Washington last week, 11 more shot today at a Chicago park.

I find it unbelievable nobody has the balls to challenge the gun laws in america.

They did it here, in England,France and Australia with awesome results but yet the wonderful US of f'n A continues to shoot each other.

[DuffMan]

It's because GTA 5 was just released. The NRA must be right, it is video games causing all of these shootings.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by T@T

Washington last week, 11 more shot today at a Chicago park.

I find it unbelievable nobody has the balls to challenge the gun laws in america.

They did it here, in England,France and Australia with awesome results but yet the wonderful US of f'n A continues to shoot each other.

What will changing the laws do? Chicago has a ban on hand guns yet has one of the highest gun crime rates in the US. The law doesnt meat anything. Like as if someone would think twice about some gun law if they are going to shoot up a park.

Chicago has 10-20 gun shot murders per week end, and about 3x as many gun shot wounds, yet the strictest laws regarding gun ownership in the Country. Its not a law thing its a cultural thing.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by T@T

Washington last week, 11 more shot today at a Chicago park.

I find it unbelievable nobody has the balls to challenge the gun laws in america.

They did it here, in England,France and Australia with awesome results but yet the wonderful US of f'n A continues to shoot each other.

Sounds like it was a gang turf war shooting.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

What will changing the laws do? Chicago has a ban on hand guns yet has one of the highest gun crime rates in the US. The law doesnt meat anything. Like as if someone would think twice about some gun law if they are going to shoot up a park.

Chicago has 10-20 gun shot murders per week end, and about 3x as many gun shot wounds, yet the strictest laws regarding gun ownership in the Country. Its not a law thing its a cultural thing.

You need to change the culture, and laws can help. Who would dream of not wearing a seatbelt or using baby seats these days - yet before laws these were the norm and perfectly acceptable. It took time but attitudes changed.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

What will changing the laws do? Chicago has a ban on hand guns yet has one of the highest gun crime rates in the US. The law doesnt meat anything. Like as if someone would think twice about some gun law if they are going to shoot up a park.

You are, of course, half right. Stricter gun laws are only part of the equation. Changing the defective thinking of Americans is the real key, and a monumental task that likely couldn't be achieved in our lifetimes. Dismantling the NRA would be a fine start, but again, damn near impossible at this point.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

What will changing the laws do? .

Doing nothing is the right thing.

*Support your local NRA*