iPhone vs Android

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by edslunch

So what you're saying is that the old boring iOS is closing the gap with Android now. Does that make it just 10% old and boring or us it 20%?

If that makes you feel better.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by calumniate

So apparently with IOS 7, they not only failed to improve the keyboard at all (auto correct on my ipad is laughable), they made it worse!

Same keyboard, same spelling dictionary, same layout, more lag. Sweet

I toyed around with my buddies iPhone 5 with iOS 7 today at lunch, nothing really impressive or new. I like the new layout to be honest but it's just a new skin. Adding a quick setting menu is long overdue but it just isn't nearly as refined or nice as anything on Android 4.3

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by Burninator

So why do they still manufacture a two year old phone and sell it for $0 on a contract (4S) and why did they manufacture the 5c which sells for $99 on a contract? If they don't cater to the entry market wouldn't they only sell the newest model iPhone?

Offering choice and courting the low end of the market are very different things. How much of Apple's marketing and sales resources are being used to market a low cost 4S vs. its flagship? probably very little
All it's doing is leveraging its production lines that are already geared up for the 4S and 5 to continue producing a lower cost alternative.

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I toyed around with my buddies iPhone 5 with iOS 7 today at lunch, nothing really impressive or new. I like the new layout to be honest but it's just a new skin. Adding a quick setting menu is long overdue but it just isn't nearly as refined or nice as anything on Android 4.3

And you have upgraded to 4.3? Who has access to kitkat? http://developer.android.com/about/d...rds/index.html

What is the point of these great releases if people are still stuck on versions 2-3 years old?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

And you have upgraded to 4.3? Who has access to kitkat? http://developer.android.com/about/d...rds/index.html

What is the point of these great releases if people are still stuck on versions 2-3 years old?

I'm on 4.3
4.4 is Kitkat, which isn't available yet.

Those charts are a little disingenuousness to be honest. Companies like Samsung (IIRC) are still releasing phones on Gingerbread because it's easier to put on a simple flip phone, I think my Dad bought some Samsung phone for 150 at Telus which was running Gingerbread, this was late winter of this year.

Apple's claims, the amazing high percentage that get the latest upgrades, are a little dubious if you think about it too.

The iPhone 4 is getting iOS 7 and will be included in the percentage of iOS devices that got the upgrade... but is it a true upgrade, is it really iOS 7?

Things missing from iOS 7 in the iPhone 4
-3D Flyover or turn-by-turn navigation in Maps.
Panorama mode or Filters in the Camera app (filters can still be applied after-the-fact in the Photos app).
-AirPlay Mirroring.
-Siri.
-AirDrop.
-A number of the new graphical effects present on all other iOS 7 devices. These include
-translucency effects throughout the OS,
-live wallpapers,
-and the parallax effect used on the Home screen.

So while Apple will use this in the claim of high adoption of iOS 7... it's just mostly BS.

[Brannigans Law]

not to mention that the new iOS upgrade is very hard for old phones to actually pull off correctly. My iphone 4, while I barely use it, is having a very difficult time with the new operating system. My phone also looks like it belongs to a 13 year old girl.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I'm on 4.3
4.4 is Kitkat, which isn't available yet.

Those charts are a little disingenuousness to be honest. Companies like Samsung (IIRC) are still releasing phones on Gingerbread because it's easier to put on a simple flip phone, I think my Dad bought some Samsung phone for 150 at Telus which was running Gingerbread, this was late winter of this year.

Apple's claims, the amazing high percentage that get the latest upgrades, are a little dubious if you think about it too.

The iPhone 4 is getting iOS 7 and will be included in the percentage of iOS devices that got the upgrade... but is it a true upgrade, is it really iOS 7?

Things missing from iOS 7 in the iPhone 4
-3D Flyover or turn-by-turn navigation in Maps.
Panorama mode or Filters in the Camera app (filters can still be applied after-the-fact in the Photos app).
-AirPlay Mirroring.
-Siri.
-AirDrop.
-A number of the new graphical effects present on all other iOS 7 devices. These include
-translucency effects throughout the OS,
-live wallpapers,
-and the parallax effect used on the Home screen.

So while Apple will use this in the claim of high adoption of iOS 7... it's just mostly BS.

Not for developers it isn't. There are already some popular apps that have updates that won't run on anything before iOS7 and developers can be confident that they can pull that off because of the high adoption rate. It would be impossible to do that the day a new Android version is released because anyone who isn't running a Nexus device or hasn't rooted their phone might be waiting months just to even get it, never mind the hundreds of millions of devices still in use that will likely never be able to be updated to current software.

Yeah it's not going to run perfectly on an iPhone 4, but we're talking about a 3 year old device. The Galaxy S which was released 3 weeks prior hasn't seen a software update in 2 years and anyone unfortunate enough to be still using it is stuck on 2.3.

Personally I think Android's fragmentation stats give a pretty good indication of the actual devices people are buying. They're selling loads of flagship devices that are up to date, but there's also a massive portion of their sales which are just junk devices running 2-3 year old software.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I'm on 4.3
4.4 is Kitkat, which isn't available yet.

Those charts are a little disingenuousness to be honest. Companies like Samsung (IIRC) are still releasing phones on Gingerbread because it's easier to put on a simple flip phone, I think my Dad bought some Samsung phone for 150 at Telus which was running Gingerbread, this was late winter of this year.

Apple's claims, the amazing high percentage that get the latest upgrades, are a little dubious if you think about it too.

The iPhone 4 is getting iOS 7 and will be included in the percentage of iOS devices that got the upgrade... but is it a true upgrade, is it really iOS 7?

Things missing from iOS 7 in the iPhone 4
-3D Flyover or turn-by-turn navigation in Maps.
Panorama mode or Filters in the Camera app (filters can still be applied after-the-fact in the Photos app).
-AirPlay Mirroring.
-Siri.
-AirDrop.
-A number of the new graphical effects present on all other iOS 7 devices. These include
-translucency effects throughout the OS,
-live wallpapers,
-and the parallax effect used on the Home screen.

So while Apple will use this in the claim of high adoption of iOS 7... it's just mostly BS.

Nice try. Those are predominately hardware limitations. How are they supposed to overcome that? 4 users still get the updated apps, notification centre, command centre (you know that thing android fans always laughed at Apple for not having), new gestures, new ugly icons.... Does Android somehow work better on old devices? Will your nexus support every android feature from here out? I think not.

My son is thrilled to have iOS 7 on his phone, though he's upping the pressure for a 5S

[Igster]

Android rules, Apple sucks....

That is all.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Nice try. Those are predominately hardware limitations. How are they supposed to overcome that? 4 users still get the updated apps, notification centre, command centre (you know that thing android fans always laughed at Apple for not having), new gestures, new ugly icons.... Does Android somehow work better on old devices? Will your nexus support every android feature from here out? I think not.

My son is thrilled to have iOS 7 on his phone, though he's upping the pressure for a 5S

Congrats on "command centre", it's a weird thing you're being smug about.. finally getting a feature that someone else has had for a while.. but again.. my hats off to you.

You've kind of changed the argument though in response to me. What I'm saying is not all versions of iOS are the same so the stats should reflect that. iOS 7 on the newest devices isn't the same as iOS 7 on the 4 or 4s so the stat line about "x number of iOS devices have the latest update" should be more honest in what they're saying. If these releases were honest you wouldn't see the high number that we've been seeing. It's a little white lie though, not a big deal just kind of funny to see them pulled out in debates like this.

[Regulator75]

Originally Posted by edslunch

My son is thrilled to have iOS 7 on his phone, though he's upping the pressure for a 5S

Well done on the brain washing.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Regulator75

Well done on the brain washing.

I shut down all discussion on Android. Like I'm going to buy his games and music all over again? He'll get my 4S when I move up and he'll learn to love it

[FlameOn]

With iOS7 out it seems like people are discovering a lot of sloppiness with the UI Apple has put out. Lacks some of the polish of previous iOS releases.

Here are a few examples





Source

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I shut down all discussion on Android. Like I'm going to buy his games and music all over again? He'll get my 4S when I move up and he'll learn to love it

Ha!

So he wants an Android device but being locked into the Apple ecosystem is what's forcing him to stay.

Too funny and too perfect.

[FlameOn]

That didn't take long... massive security flaw found to completely bypass lock screen and access photos, etc.
Sloppy sloppy sloppy


http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygree...il-or-twitter/

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Ha!

So he wants an Android device but being locked into the Apple ecosystem is what's forcing him to stay.

Too funny and too perfect.

Stuck in paradise man, stuck in paradise.

[DownInFlames]

I know many Android users who don't have feature like the control centre because they're stuck with an outdated OS. In fact the majority of phones are still using ICS or older.

A three year old iPhone 4 can update to iOS 7 but my uncle's Galaxy S is stuck with Gingerbread. Hopefully the Nexus devices become more popular and the handset makers and carriers will learn that people want the latest OS, not bloatware.

[Galakanokis]

I run CM 10.2 on my old cappy and it is great, runs absolutely fantastic. I know the average user cannot root and flash but CM is working on fixing this.

I have no opinion on ios7 as I haven't used it and probably won't. Not a fan of the physical form factor of iPhones. Can't justify the price of an iPhone, don't see it as anymore premium or high end compared to Google, HTC and Samsung. I don't have a phone to flash it around so everyone can see it. I want a phone I can make it do what I want it to do.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Brannigans Law

not to mention that the new iOS upgrade is very hard for old phones to actually pull off correctly. My iphone 4, while I barely use it, is having a very difficult time with the new operating system. My phone also looks like it belongs to a 13 year old girl.

I've noticed a little hiccup here and there but overall my iphone 4 has had no issues running iOS7 nor has my wife's.

[Meelapo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I've noticed a little hiccup here and there but overall my iphone 4 has had no issues running iOS7 nor has my wife's.

I've got an iPhone 4 and it's noticeably faster than iOS6. When typing it used to take time for the letters to come up but now they show up much faster. Maybe it was because of the reboots during the upgrade.