08-24-2013, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by browna
Or likely will the IIHF. Canada couldn't use the Hockey Canada logo (along with the requisite faux outrage from Nicholson)in 2010, I hardly think that, unless all the countries use it (good luck getting the Russians to add it), the IIHF wouldn't allow anything added to jerseys, nevermind something political.
Just as Canadian teams or any world teams didn't explicitly protest all the (and can be argued, much more harsh and widespread than this issue) human rights violations the Chinese Government condones and actively participates in, in 2008, I would say this follows the same guidelines.
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Pretty sure it was the IOC that disallowed the HC logo in 2010. Canada uses it at the Juniors and WCs every year.
I heard that they sewed it on the inside of the jerseys above the heart. Maybe they could do that with a rainbow flag also.
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08-24-2013, 02:08 PM
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I would be completely against the Rainbow patch.
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08-24-2013, 02:13 PM
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No. I would not support it.
First, I don't think it would change anything except strengthen the resolve of the Russian government and give them a platform to push their agenda.
Second, I would guess there is various views among athletes, not all would maybe as open or comfortable and could speak out regarding their views.
Third, I believe there are much bigger human rights issues. While I agree we should not overlook any issue no matter how small it is I think it would be a slap in the face to every other cause that is trying to get airtime at the Olympics to focus on one.
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08-24-2013, 02:31 PM
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The Olympics are about sports and shouldn't be used to push political agendas no matter how trendy that agenda might be at the moment.
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08-24-2013, 02:54 PM
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I think the Olympics should first and foremost be about brow-beating the host country into making whatever legal and social changes are the cause du jour of western social activism.
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08-24-2013, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by etdpratt
I think it has to be something agreed upon by each member of the team. Like it or not, some believe that gay marriage is wrong based on their religious beliefs, and just because you may disagree, it doesn't make your opinion more valid than theirs. I believe if the members of the team agree to it, I would have no problem with a patch.
I think everything is always better when decisions are made by a majority vote.
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No sale
If someone doesn't want to marry someone of the same sex based upon their religion...no problem it impacts no one but themselves.
However, when they decide to deny (or attempt to change the law to deny) someone other than themselves the same suite of rights based upon race, gender, sexual orientation etc. That opinion is NOT valid IMO...you can't deny someone else the same right you have because someone interpreted the wishes of the flying spaghetti monster a certain way.
And I have the same opinion about majority rules....human rights should not be determined by majority rule.
I'll take the misogynistic version of Sharia law as another example...I don't accept that ######bags can make women second/third class citizens because they have a 'holy' man saying its the way to go...nor do I accept that philosophy as valid if the majority (of men) in the region think its right.
Equal human rights is a philosophy that trumps religion and democracy.
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08-24-2013, 02:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WilderPegasus
The Olympics are about sports and shouldn't be used to push political agendas no matter how trendy that agenda might be at the moment.
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Dude, I hear what you are saying...but if they were only about sports we wouldn't have Coca-Cola, VISA, McDonalds pushing their agenda via the olympics.
The Olympics aren't just about sports, and the saturation of corporate messages within the games is an example of that.
If they WERE pure and only about the sports I would agree with you
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08-24-2013, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by WilderPegasus
The Olympics are about sports and shouldn't be used to push political agendas no matter how trendy that agenda might be at the moment.
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This is just down right not true. Throughout its history, the Olympics has been about political and social issues. There have been political boycotts, terrorist attacks, human rights disputes. The Olympics are and always have been about the coming together of nations to celebrate the high achievement of humanity and the right of all nations to celebrate their national identity amongst all nations. With that comes the attention to the broader conversations facing our world and our various societies. Sports is the forum for this kind of unity and celebration to take place, but it is far from the only thing that the Olympics are about.
I would fully support a patch of this kind. But there is zero chance this will ever happen. Hockey players are professionals, and I would expect them to be the least likely to make a stand on a social issue.
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08-24-2013, 03:17 PM
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No, don't drag this issue into the Olympics or hockey. It doesn't make any sense.
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08-24-2013, 03:38 PM
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It should be the individual athletes choice. End of story. Just like the talk of boycott, I don't agree with the organisation making decisions for the athletes.
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08-24-2013, 04:03 PM
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It should be the individual athletes choice. End of story. Just like the talk of boycott, I don't agree with the organisation making decisions for the athletes.
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I agree. I think if it is feasible, Hockey Canada should give each player on the team the option of wearing a patch.
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08-24-2013, 04:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WilderPegasus
The Olympics are about sports and shouldn't be used to push political agendas no matter how trendy that agenda might be at the moment.
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Oh, I see equality of people is "trendy".......
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08-24-2013, 04:18 PM
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For the record, I would be fine with a patch. I don't think the IOC would allow it. I think they get final say on any and all uniforms. Isn't that why you see tape across some helmets, cuz they are not sponsors.
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08-24-2013, 04:24 PM
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I think a rainbow patch would be fabulous.
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08-24-2013, 05:24 PM
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I'm completely against this.
This is a completely immoral and unnatural "lifestyle" and it's no where near as important as the civil rights and womens' rights movements. Nobody stops them from living the way they live, the problem is they want everyone to have the same opinion as them on this matter.
Bravo Russia. This is one of the few times I'll salute you.
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08-24-2013, 05:32 PM
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If the player wants to wear a patch then sure, but it should be an individual choice. Not something the team pushes on them.
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08-24-2013, 05:37 PM
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I'm completely against this.
This is a completely immoral and unnatural "lifestyle" and it's no where near as important as the civil rights and womens' rights movements. Nobody stops them from living the way they live, the problem is they want everyone to have the same opinion as them on this matter.
Bravo Russia. This is one of the few times I'll salute you.
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I'm defintely against the patches on the jerseys, but this post is exactly why they scream for equality. There is nothing immoral, or unnatural with being a homosexual.
They're people, just like you and me.
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08-24-2013, 05:48 PM
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Wow, there are some cavemen in this thread... that's a shame.
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08-24-2013, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by korzym12
I'm completely against this.
This is a completely immoral and unnatural "lifestyle" and it's no where near as important as the civil rights and womens' rights movements. Nobody stops them from living the way they live, the problem is they want everyone to have the same opinion as them on this matter.
Bravo Russia. This is one of the few times I'll salute you.
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Yes there IS something stopping them...if you kiss your significant other in Russia nothing happens. If a person who is gay does it they go to jail.
And you applaud this? Shame on you.
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