I posted a TED talk about this very issue 1.5 months ago. Women and women's rights groups are working very hard to try and combat sexual assaults, empower people to report assaults, etc. I'm not "blaming" anyone. I'm saying men need to take a stand in these issues as well. Women can't solve it alone when in the vast majority of cases it's men doing the raping and women/children (including boys) who are the victims.
Oh okay, then we're in agreement. Men certainly have a role to play, and a more active one then they currently do, I was just saying that finger pointing and saying 'you fix it' isn't going to work, which is what I incorrectly interpreted your post as saying.
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well, i did actually read an article on this today and i did agree with one point:
one article argued that the ads do kind of demonize men that sexually assault other people... I personally dont find it offensive to my gender, but i can see where they are going with it. Its just like that friend that takes things way to far for shock value and everyone goes "whooaaaaa buddy"
i think there is a lot more written between the lines of these issues, which would allow us to make an actual argument one way or the other. I'm not going to get into it for sake of being mauled by the just and righteous on cp...
fyp.
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The 'don't be that guy' is a good ad campaign - rape and molestation are the worst crimes there are in my opinion. And I think a lot of kids take advantage of young girls new to drinking when they pass out.
That being said I can see the guy's point - I think you can have both arguments as they are both anti-rape messages. I also don't agree that just because a girl falsely crying rape happens in a smaller percentage of circumstance that it should be excluded from discussion or awareness made.
I too grew up with a guy who was accused of rape by a girl from another town after her boyfriend found out about the affair. It was a pretty tough time in a small town of 500 people for this kid and his family when the news first come out. It's a good thing the cops had a hunch she was making it up and leaned on her to fess up.
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The giant, overwhelming problem with the whole "Men's Right's Movement" is not that they don't have some valid complaints, it's that they utterly and completely fail to recognize that all of the things they complain about: false rape accusations, lack of equality in custody battles, lack of support for men in difficult emotional situations, the portrayal of men in the media, etc. etc. are all the result of patriarchy and have nothing at all to do with feminists, feminism, or even women.
The people who MRA's should be trying to convince, are men. The minds MRA's should be working to change, are men's. The structures and practices that MRA's want to change are created and maintained by men.
If a person is genuinely interested in improving the lives of men in North America, they should be working with feminists and every honest Men's Rights Advocate should identify as feminist.
To do otherwise shows that a person has no idea what the hell is going on in the world and is, frankly, an idiot.
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Oh okay, then we're in agreement. Men certainly have a role to play, and a more active one then they currently do, I was just saying that finger pointing and saying 'you fix it' isn't going to work, which is what I incorrectly interpreted your post as saying.
I'm really not quite sure what women have to do to not get raped. It's pretty much all on men.
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ah yes, the overly agressive anti-rape campaigns that are maligning men everywhere.
Rape doesn't happen without rapists. Sexual assault is not a "women's rights" issue. It's a societal issue. And the solution to the problem starts with men.
You don't see a line being crossed when someone who says "don't make false rape accusations" message is immediately attacked for being part of "rape culture" and called a "rape apologist"? Throwing around terms like that when they are not applicable doesn't do anyone any good.
You don't see a line being crossed when someone who says "don't make false rape accusations" message is immediately attacked for being part of "rape culture" and called a "rape apologist"? Throwing around terms like that when they are not applicable doesn't do anyone any good.
Well it is what it is. I can dress it up, instead of rape culture I can talk about a 'social permission to operate'. But at the end of the day the result is the same. It's sexual objectification instead of subjectification.
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Situations like this are not uncommon at all.......
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I had an almost identical situation happen to me when I was about 20. Girl sideswipes my car in the apartment parking lot, and I saw it happen from my balcony. I knock on her door to talk to her, and she knows exactly why I am there. Without batting an eye, she starts punching herself in the forehead and banging her head on her door screaming RAPE! RAPE! Damn I wish it was in the day of pocket video cameras, as in hindsight, it looked ######edly hilarious.
But at the time, I was frikking terrified, and ran down the hall back to my place. Nothing ever came of it, and I never called the cops as they will always take the side of a woman. Her little strategy worked, and I ended up just paying the 400 bucks to fix my car. I was looking over my shoulder for months, expecting to be arrested on some sort of false accusations, so it ended up affecting me negatively for quite a long time.
I am not absolving men of the fact that they do rape women. But there is a larger segment of women than many think that use the accusation of it as a tool to get their way.
my heart yearns for the day that the straight white male can get a fair shake in this world
To be honest though, its not far fetched. I think of when I went to SAIT over 10 years ago, there were Bursaries and Scholarships for things like Women in Non-Traditional Fields, Minorities in Technology, etc. But there was nothing for a middle of the road Caucasian Male.
The Women in a non-traditional field one kinda ticked me off though, because I don't think any women were going to choose a field because it would make them eligible for a scholarship, and if they did, they were choosing a field of studies for all the wrong reasons.
Situations like this are not uncommon at all.......
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I had an almost identical situation happen to me when I was about 20. Girl sideswipes my car in the apartment parking lot, and I saw it happen from my balcony. I knock on her door to talk to her, and she knows exactly why I am there. Without batting an eye, she starts punching herself in the forehead and banging her head on her door screaming RAPE! RAPE! Damn I wish it was in the day of pocket video cameras, as in hindsight, it looked ######edly hilarious.
But at the time, I was frikking terrified, and ran down the hall back to my place. Nothing ever came of it, and I never called the cops as they will always take the side of a woman. Her little strategy worked, and I ended up just paying the 400 bucks to fix my car. I was looking over my shoulder for months, expecting to be arrested on some sort of false accusations, so it ended up affecting me negatively for quite a long time.
I am not absolving men of the fact that they do rape women. But there is a larger segment of women than many think that use the accusation of it as a tool to get their way.
I'm not sure how you can use one personal anecdote to conclude that this sort of experience is commonplace. Nothing like this has never happened to me nor has anyone I know ever related a similar story to me. I work in the criminal justice system and I have never once been involved in a case similar to your story or read a reported decision with circumstances similar to your story. Therefore, I am inclined to believe that these sorts of incidents are incredibly rare.
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I'm not sure how you can use one personal anecdote to conclude that this sort of experience is commonplace. Nothing like this has never happened to me nor has anyone I know ever related a similar story to me. I work in the criminal justice system and I have never once been involved in a case similar to your story or read a reported decision with circumstances similar to your story. Therefore, I am inclined to believe that these sorts of incidents are incredibly rare.
Thank you for that post.
I have also never experienced that, nor know of anyone that has experienced that, but I do know a family member that was raped.
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You don't see a line being crossed when someone who says "don't make false rape accusations" message is immediately attacked for being part of "rape culture" and called a "rape apologist"? Throwing around terms like that when they are not applicable doesn't do anyone any good.
Although a false allegation of sexual assault has terrible consequences for the accused (and also for police and justice system resources), the problem of false reporting absolutely pales in comparison to the problem of underreporting. As has already been noted in this thread, the rate of false reporting of sexual assault is consistent with false reporting of other crimes in Canada. However, the rate of underreporting of sexual assaults is far higher than the rate of underreporting of other crimes in Canada:
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Of the three types of violent offences recorded by the GSS, sexual assault was the least likely to be reported to the police. Less than one in ten incidents of sexual assault were reported to the police, a proportion significantly lower than that for the other violent offences, robbery (47%) and physical assault (40%).
Therefore, it seems likely that public campaigns attacking "false reporters" do more harm than good.
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I'm not sure how you can use one personal anecdote to conclude that this sort of experience is commonplace. Nothing like this has never happened to me nor has anyone I know ever related a similar story to me.
If something like that had happened to you; would you be going around telling people about it? I can't think of a single reason somebody would. Assuming Pylon's story is 100% true (and we have no reason to suspect otherwise); the only thing that could result from him sharing the story was to have people suspect he was somewhat shady.
In this context, he might share this story here as we are discussing the topic of false accusations. Maybe I should make an anonymous poll.
The article (I think) notes that the rate for false accusation is around 1-2%, right in line with any other crime. I agree that false accusations can be incredibly damaging, but this is poor form.
I agree with everyone who is saying that underreporting of rape is a much more common problem than false rape accusations, but I'm always curious of where that 1-2% statistic comes from. A whole lot less than 98-99% of rape accusations lead to convictions, so I don't see how that statistic can be anything other than pure speculation.
I'm really not quite sure what women have to do to not get raped. It's pretty much all on men.
Oh good lord, I'm not talking about the single act of rape, I'm talking about changing the culture as a whole, which is something we all have a role in.
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I agree with everyone who is saying that underreporting of rape is a much more common problem than false rape accusations, but I'm always curious of where that 1-2% statistic comes from. A whole lot less than 98-99% of rape accusations lead to convictions, so I don't see how that statistic can be anything other than pure speculation.
I am not sure that a non conviction always equals a false accusation.
Lawyers what is the success rate for rape convictions and what might be reasons for failure?
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ah yes, the overly agressive anti-rape campaigns that are maligning men everywhere.
