How does the Canucks/Luongo saga end?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Though I guess if you're looking to tank Feaster is the guy to go with. As long as you don't let him handle the CBA interpretations.

Yeah, 5 straight division championships, 2 President's Trophies, game 7 of the SCF. Definitely one of the worst tenures of a GM in the last decade.

And what has been the net effect of that? Booth cost nothing, Roy cost a late 2nd. Hodgson for Kassian can hardly be decided after a shortened season.

The Canucks also got Ehrhoff and Higgins for basically nothing and were able to acquire 2 of their top 3 defensemen without giving up a single asset.

Gillis inherited a team that if he had made no moves would have won all the things in bold. He has added nothing to the team to help them get them over the hump.

Booth cost them more than nothing. He has a high salary and Samuelson was the better player.

Hodgson for Kassian was a brutal trade when it happened and it looks worse now.

Roy trade also included Kevin Connauton. He is no blue chip, but still not bad of a prospect.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Gillis inherited a team that if he had made no moves would have won all the things in bold. He has added nothing to the team to help them get them over the hump.

Booth cost them more than nothing. He has a high salary and Samuelson was the better player.

Hodgson for Kassian was a brutal trade when it happened and it looks worse now.

Roy trade also included Kevin Connauton. He is no blue chip, but still not bad of a prospect.

Don't forget the Ballard trade where he gave up a first and Grabner.

Gillis made one great (Hamhuis) and one good (Garrison) acquisition, and both of those were hometown guys that wanted to play in Vancouver.

Either than signing the home town guys (arguable no-brainers) Gillis moves have been poor.

He acquired two contracts that are buy out candidates (Booth, Ballard) and might have a 3rd buyout candidate because his arrogance made him think he could get a better deal (Luongo).

Now the Canucks are facing a depleted prospect pool, two straight first round exits (ass kickings TBH), limited salary cap space, and potential salary buyouts.

Top GM in the league for sure.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Though I guess if you're looking to tank Feaster is the guy to go with. As long as you don't let him handle the CBA interpretations.

Yeah, 5 straight division championships, 2 President's Trophies, game 7 of the SCF. Definitely one of the worst tenures of a GM in the last decade.

And what has been the net effect of that? Booth cost nothing, Roy cost a late 2nd. Hodgson for Kassian can hardly be decided after a shortened season.

The Canucks also got Ehrhoff and Higgins for basically nothing and were able to acquire 2 of their top 3 defensemen without giving up a single asset.

Gillis inherited a more talented team and made it worse, signed Loungo to a brutal contract. Has gotten no where near the cup since their run, and the president's cup means very little, its why players don't parade it around the ice.

He's now saddled with an aging team with no real depth, a brutal goaltending contract that he's more then likely going to have to eat. Terrible drafting and talent evaluation

Your saying a lot of things that we said when the Flames started to sink under Sutter.

I think the Canucks are going to be in very tough under the new divisional alignment. A lot of their success was based around being in what could be classed as a brutal division.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Though I guess if you're looking to tank Feaster is the guy to go with. As long as you don't let him handle the CBA interpretations.

Yeah, 5 straight division championships, 2 President's Trophies, game 7 of the SCF. Definitely one of the worst tenures of a GM in the last decade.

And what has been the net effect of that? Booth cost nothing, Roy cost a late 2nd. Hodgson for Kassian can hardly be decided after a shortened season.

The Canucks also got Ehrhoff and Higgins for basically nothing and were able to acquire 2 of their top 3 defensemen without giving up a single asset.

Booth is pure wasted cap space. Florida got 2 expiring contracts and the Canucks take on a 30-40 pt forward who is oft injured and makes $4.25 for another 2 seasons. Roy got you zero playoff wins and you have no 2nd round pick and a bottom 3 prospect pool.

That also brings up his other Florida trade where he sent a young skilled forward who has now scored 30 in a NHL season and a 1st round pick for a 6/7 dman who is a buyout/cap dump candidate

No matter who the GM was Hamhuis and Garisson were going to van. Gillis signed them both to long term deals. Hamhuis was a great signing Garisson I am not even close to sold on. He had one decent year at 27 years old and gets a 6 year deal?

Erhoff was his best trade no doubt about it but it was a mistake to let him walk. The Canucks pp has never really recovered. Hodgson is a legit top 2 C on most teams. Something the Canucks lacked for most of the year. Kassian still questionable if he is anything more than a bottom 6 goon

The Luongo contract and captaincy is one of the more laughable situations of the last 10 years in the NHL

Gillis gets credit for the 2 presidents trophies? Considering he inherited the coach and the core players you give him far too much credit. The Canucks are an old team with little to no prospect depth staring a lengthy rebuild in the face

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Gillis inherited a team that if he had made no moves would have won all the things in bold. He has added nothing to the team to help them get them over the hump.

The team Gillis inherited had just missed the playoffs 2 of the last 3 seasons and had a grand total of 1 forward (Kesler) signed beyond the next season.

But you're right, Ehrhoff and Hamhuis played no role in the Canucks success. Nor did getting pretty much the entire core signed for under market value contracts. Nor did rejigging the Canucks' style of play from a boring defensive team to one that focused on puck movement and offense. This all just happened automatically.

Booth cost them more than nothing. He has a high salary and Samuelson was the better player.

Hodgson for Kassian was a brutal trade when it happened and it looks worse now.

Roy trade also included Kevin Connauton. He is no blue chip, but still not bad of a prospect.

Again, nothing much of consequence in terms of lost assets.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Booth is pure wasted cap space. Florida got 2 expiring contracts and the Canucks take on a 30-40 pt forward who is oft injured and makes $4.25 for another 2 seasons. Roy got you zero playoff wins and you have no 2nd round pick and a bottom 3 prospect pool.

That also brings up his other Florida trade where he sent a young skilled forward who has now scored 30 in a NHL season and a 1st round pick for a 6/7 dman who is a buyout/cap dump candidate

No matter who the GM was Hamhuis and Garisson were going to van. Gillis signed them both to long term deals. Hamhuis was a great signing Garisson I am not even close to sold on. He had one decent year at 27 years old and gets a 6 year deal?

Erhoff was his best trade no doubt about it but it was a mistake to let him walk. The Canucks pp has never really recovered. Hodgson is a legit top 2 C I. The league on most teams. Something the Canucks lacked for most of the year. Kassian still questionable if he is anything more than a bottom 6 goon

The Luongo contract and captaincy is one of the more laughable situations of the last 10 years in the NHL

Gillis gets credit for the 2 presidents trophies? Considering he inherited the coach and the core players you give him far too much credit. The Canucks are an old team with little to no prospect depth staring a lengthy rebuild in the face

Gillis will probably bring back the V jersey's to distract the fan base with something shiny.

That way when they go into their rebuild and become awful the fans will look at those terrible jersey's and mutter. "Its happened before it will happen again"

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Gillis inherited a team that if he had made no moves would have won all the things in bold. He has added nothing to the team to help them get them over the hump.

Booth cost them more than nothing. He has a high salary and Samuelson was the better player.

Hodgson for Kassian was a brutal trade when it happened and it looks worse now.

Roy trade also included Kevin Connauton. He is no blue chip, but still not bad of a prospect.

He inherited a team that was out of the playoffs and according to most people around here was on the way down rather than the way up.

Samuelsson wasn't and isn't the better player and if you consider Booth to be injury prone, I hate to know what you consider Samuelsson.

Honestly, he is a decent GM, nothing special. It is good that he invested more money in scouting and the developmental program and has actively attempted to woo international and college players (Tanev being the obvious biggest and best find so far).

[Erick Estrada]

It's starting to look that the only option will be to buy him out or trade him for a bad contract from another team. If a team is interested in him why would you assume that contract when you fully know that he's going to eventually join Lecavalier and Bryzgalov in free agency? The sands of the hourglass are running out for Gillis and the Canucks.

[StrykerSteve]

They're going to have to buy him out, or trade Schneider.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

They're going to have to buy him out, or trade Schneider.

That ship has sailed. They can't go back as Luongo doesn't want to be there.

[d_phaneuf]

couple things, as has been said before

buyout won't happen

they put him on waivers he's picked up, end of story

if he's not traded by July 5th, Gillis made a huge mistake

but Gillis has said even in the last little while there are teams interested so we will see, my guess/hope is that he's moved on the weekend

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

He inherited a team that was out of the playoffs and according to most people around here was on the way down rather than the way up.

Samuelsson wasn't and isn't the better player and if you consider Booth to be injury prone, I hate to know what you consider Samuelsson.

Honestly, he is a decent GM, nothing special. It is good that he invested more money in scouting and the developmental program and has actively attempted to woo international and college players (Tanev being the obvious biggest and best find so far).

There was a question when he came in about whether to even re-sign the Sedins

he didn't inherit a perennial winner, the pieces were there but a number of GMs might have blown it up

on contracts and FA's he gets an A+, everyone in the core is signed for a lot lower than they would get in the open market, including UFAs signed like Hamhuis and Garrison

Trades right now is a C-
Hodgson/Kassian can't be judged yet
Booth was traded for nothing but has been injured the entire time
He's made a few trades which at the time were widely considered good (Ballard/Roy) that didn't turn out that way, so I would look more at the process behind the deal rather than what came of it (sometimes good idea's turn out bad)

this off-season hedges on him getting Luongo moved, getting a top 6 forward, and 3 bottom 6 forwards

[Muffins]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

on contracts and FA's he gets an A+, everyone in the core is signed for a lot lower than they would get in the open market, including UFAs signed like Hamhuis and Garrison

So the Luongo contract was a great idea? Or is this graded on a curve?

[flamesfan6]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

this off-season hedges on him getting Luongo moved, getting a top 6 forward, and 3 bottom 6 forwards

and all that with 47k cap room.. I've heard they aren't interested in doing buy-outs.. and Booth is injured so can't buy him out anyways.

a Luongo deal (unless bought-out) won't gain much (if any) cap room.

[jeffman]

In 2031

[Calgary4LIfe]

Well, Luongo will probably give the Canucks nightmares down the road, even if he gets traded. When he signed his contract, this is what the first 3 years were in salary:

10 million
6.7
6.7

His cap hit is 5.3.

His last 3 years:

1.6
1.0
1.0

Given the length of this contract, it definitely will be part of the cap-recapture. When Luongo retires (and why wouldn't he at that age/pay scale?), it is going back to the Canucks regardless of where he went to play afterwards.

Best option is to buy out Luongo now. He is NOT going to bring back a good return. He is probably a negative contract, but let's say Gillis is able to leverage something for him - it is clear that 'something' will not be big at all.

To the Fans here who think Feaster might be trying to obtain Richards, think again. Rangers won't trade him. It is safe to assume Richards will retire before the end of his contract, leaving the Rangers on the hook for over 5 million for each of the two seasons after he retires. Rangers wouldn't want to take that possibility - they will buy out Richards either this year (unlikely - let's see how he rebounds under AV) but more than likely he will be bought out next year.

Vancouver fans might roll their eyes at the notion of Luongo having to get bought out, but it might just be in the best interests of the organization moving forward. Cap-recapture is going to hurt later.

As a Flames fan, I hope he gets traded soon

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

couple things, as has been said before

buyout won't happen

they put him on waivers he's picked up, end of story

if he's not traded by July 5th, Gillis made a huge mistake

but Gillis has said even in the last little while there are teams interested so we will see, my guess/hope is that he's moved on the weekend

What makes you think somebody would claim that contract? It isn't his abilities that make him untradable, it is the contract. I highly highly doubt he would be claimed.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

couple things, as has been said before

buyout won't happen

they put him on waivers he's picked up, end of story

if he's not traded by July 5th, Gillis made a huge mistake

but Gillis has said even in the last little while there are teams interested so we will see, my guess/hope is that he's moved on the weekend

Pierre LeBrun at ESPN says the only teams with interest want to send a "cap anchor" of theirs in return and that putting him on waivers may be their best hope. Would Luongo let them do that as he somewhat loses control of his destination.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Pierre LeBrun at ESPN says the only teams with interest want to send a "cap anchor" of theirs in return and that putting him on waivers may be their best hope. Would Luongo let them do that as he somewhat loses control of his destination.

But if teams need to dump salary to take on that contract why would they claim him and take on all that cap without relief?

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Pierre LeBrun at ESPN says the only teams with interest want to send a "cap anchor" of theirs in return and that putting him on waivers may be their best hope. Would Luongo let them do that as he somewhat loses control of his destination.

If it takes a buyout (like a DiPietro) to get an asset in the deal

it's a move ownership absolutely has to make

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What makes you think somebody would claim that contract? It isn't his abilities that make him untradable, it is the contract. I highly highly doubt he would be claimed.

no it's the assets Gillis wants back, the contract doesn't help but McKenzie said multiple times if he's on waivers he's picked up