06-19-2013, 03:54 PM
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#381
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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Makes sense. The Flames might have issues getting to the cap floor without being stupid in the UFA market. So this will help if they trade more veterans for picks.
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06-19-2013, 05:20 PM
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#382
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Originally Posted by devo22
correct. They also gave Steve Staios a bonus-laden contract (800k salary + 800k bonuses = 1.6m cap hit). "Wang-Islanders solution" seems like a fitting name for the Knight contract in my book ...
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Originally Posted by kirant
If memory serves though, isn't that how Wang got to cap floor? Niederreiter was on a 2.75 cap hit contract, but only earned a small fraction of that amount. And rumour at the time was that he only stayed on the Islanders team so they could reach cap floor.
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I just recently remembered that the new CBA (Section 50.5.c) does not allow performance bonuses to be used in calculating if a team reaches the Salary Floor. Therefore the "Wang-Islanders solution" has been neutralized.
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06-19-2013, 05:22 PM
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#383
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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^^ then why give him the rookie max?
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06-19-2013, 05:22 PM
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#384
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Originally Posted by devo22
^^ then why give him the rookie max?
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incentive to sign here?
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06-19-2013, 05:27 PM
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#385
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Voted for Kodos
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Originally Posted by devo22
^^ then why give him the rookie max?
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Getting to the cap floor isn't going to be a problem, even if Kipper retires, unless we trade away a few more vets.
For a team in the Flames position, there really isn't any drawback to giving him the max rookie bonuses, as the Flames aren't going to have salary cap issues for the next two years, plus it is good incentive to get him to come here. If he earns every bonus available, he would be well worth all of that money.
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06-19-2013, 05:27 PM
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#386
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
incentive to sign here?
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yeah, but still a bit steep for a college guy, isn't it? Cervenka I could understand, those bonuses were necessary to sway him to come over, given that he earned a lot in Europe already ... but Knight? Weird to fork out the rookie max if it's not cap related.
Guess it's not a big deal, just surprising.
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06-19-2013, 05:30 PM
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#387
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by devo22
yeah, but still a bit steep for a college guy, isn't it? Cervenka I could understand, those bonuses were necessary to sway him to come over, given that he earned a lot in Europe already ... but Knight? Weird to fork out the rookie max if it's not cap related.
Guess it's not a big deal, just surprising.
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Not really. Go back and look at highly regarded college (pending) UFAs. They get rookie max generally. It would be surprising if it was for less.
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06-19-2013, 05:31 PM
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#388
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Originally Posted by devo22
yeah, but still a bit steep for a college guy, isn't it? Cervenka I could understand, those bonuses were necessary to sway him to come over, given that he earned a lot in Europe already ... but Knight? Weird to fork out the rookie max if it's not cap related.
Guess it's not a big deal, just surprising.
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If you believe the reports, he was most likely going to get that anyways if he reached UFA on August 15.
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06-19-2013, 05:36 PM
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#389
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
Not really. Go back and look at highly regarded college (pending) UFAs. They get rookie max generally. It would be surprising if it was for less.
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Not really.
Sustr and Brown were signed for $1.35 million. Dekeyser as well.
Tory Krug was $1.75 IIRC.
We certainly won't have issues attracting those type of players anymore, if we are handing out more than double the going rate in bonus structured contracts.
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06-19-2013, 05:40 PM
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#390
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Not really.
Sustr and Brown were signed for $1.35 million. Dekeyser as well.
Tory Krug was $1.75 IIRC.
We certainly won't have issues attracting those type of players anymore, if we are handing out more than double the going rate in bonus structured contracts.
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Bozak: $3,725,000
Wheeler: $2,825,000
Schultz: 3,775,000
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06-19-2013, 06:11 PM
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#391
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Airdrie
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devo22
yeah, but still a bit steep for a college guy, isn't it? Cervenka I could understand, those bonuses were necessary to sway him to come over, given that he earned a lot in Europe already ... but Knight? Weird to fork out the rookie max if it's not cap related.
Guess it's not a big deal, just surprising.
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He's not just a college guy, he is a top rated college prospect who was a top 10 Hobey Baker finalist, has grown into a better player than origionally drafted, tops in the nation (2nd) in face-offs, was a PPG player even though prides himself on the defensive game, is a 6'2 210 lb centerman who could step in as easily as a Justin Shultz. You go after guys like that just like how everyone wanted Justin Shultz. At this point, you are just paying money for talent vs having to give up assets for it. It's a low risk, high reward move. Hell, if memory serves me right, and I may be wrong here, but I think we might be paying Nemo in the minors over a million.
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06-19-2013, 06:13 PM
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#392
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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If the Flames grab Nichushkin I wonder if these two players would make a great duo. Both have size and power and I believe Knight could eat up the garbage goals that Nichushkin could miss on his drives to the net.
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06-19-2013, 06:23 PM
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#393
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Ass Handler
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Okotoks, AB
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Originally Posted by cowtown75
He's not just a college guy, he is a top rated college prospect who was a top 10 Hobey Baker finalist, has grown into a better player than origionally drafted, tops in the nation (2nd) in face-offs, was a PPG player even though prides himself on the defensive game, is a 6'2 210 lb centerman who could step in as easily as a Justin Shultz. You go after guys like that just like how everyone wanted Justin Shultz. At this point, you are just paying money for talent vs having to give up assets for it. It's a low risk, high reward move. Hell, if memory serves me right, and I may be wrong here, but I think we might be paying Nemo in the minors over a million.
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He only makes 65K in the AHL, but his cap hit is 1.04M to Calgary.
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06-19-2013, 06:35 PM
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#394
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
Tanguay - Stajan - Cammalleri
Baertschi - Backlund - Hudler
Stempniak - Knight - Horak
Jackman - Bouma - Mcgrattan
Is what we're currently looking at. Definitely need to offload 1-2 more aging vets. Making room for Reinhart will be tough.. Even more so if we draft a centerman at #6 that they feel can slot in next season as well.
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Tanguay - Stajan - Cammalleri
I believe Feaster will have moved every single player from this line before the end of training camp
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06-19-2013, 06:53 PM
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#395
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Ass Handler
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Okotoks, AB
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Originally Posted by Iceman57
Tanguay - Stajan - Cammalleri
I believe Feaster will have moved every single player from this line before the end of training camp
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I sincerely hope 2 of them will be gone.
Stajan earned some cred last year, he deserves to stick around. This team needs more defensively responsible forwards, not fewer of them.
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06-19-2013, 07:00 PM
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#396
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Silicon Valley
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
Tanguay - Stajan - Cammalleri
Baertschi - Backlund - Hudler
Stempniak - Knight - Horak
Jackman - Bouma - Mcgrattan
Is what we're currently looking at. Definitely need to offload 1-2 more aging vets. Making room for Reinhart will be tough.. Even more so if we draft a centerman at #6 that they feel can slot in next season as well.
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My crack at the forwards, if Tanguay is traded (hold onto Cammalleri until the draft):
Baertschi - Backlund - Cammalleri
Glencross - Stajan - Hudler
Stempniak - Knight - Horak
Jackman - Bouma - Mcgrattan
Byron/Nemisz
Cundari - Wideman
Gio - BRODIE
Butler - Smith
Breen/Sarich
Stemp, Cammalleri, Sarich to be dealt at the draft.
(yes i know that lineup sucks)
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06-19-2013, 07:08 PM
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#397
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Ass Handler
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Okotoks, AB
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Originally Posted by Phanuthier
My crack at the forwards, if Tanguay is traded (hold onto Cammalleri until the draft):
Baertschi - Backlund - Cammalleri
Glencross - Stajan - Hudler
Stempniak - Knight - Horak
Jackman - Bouma - Mcgrattan
Byron/Nemisz
Cundari - Wideman
Gio - Smith
Butler - Sarich
Breen
Stemp, Cammalleri, Sarich to be dealt at the draft.
(yes i know that lineup sucks)
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It disturbs me that you have left out Calgary's best player from your lineup.
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06-19-2013, 07:09 PM
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#398
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Yeah Brodie isnt going anywhere.
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06-19-2013, 07:11 PM
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#399
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Silicon Valley
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Originally Posted by StrykerSteve
It disturbs me that you have left out Calgary's best player from your lineup.
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oops my bad
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06-19-2013, 07:17 PM
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#400
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Phanuthier
oops my bad
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i thanked it and i missed it too. pretty much just read the forwards and moved on
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