WF: (5) Los Angeles Kings vs (1) Chicago Blackhawks (Hawks win 4-1)

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

Are you doing anything else other than whine about what and how people post?

Are you slow?

I was asking a question, you're the one who replied to my post with a whiny little baby response.

Whenever an original 6 match up happens in the playoffs some fans and media types fawn all over it. I don't care about them and was wondering if I was the only one.

Congratulations on looking foolish, yet again.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Are you slow?

I was asking a question, you're the one who replied to my post with a whiny little baby response.

Whenever an original 6 match up happens in the playoffs some fans and media types fawn all over it. I don't care about them and was wondering if I was the only one.

Congratulations on looking foolish, yet again.

To me it has nothing to do with original 6 matchup stuff, though it doesnt hurt the marketing angle either. These teams have faced one another for over 80 years afterall, and should this matchup come to fruition, we should here lots of antecdotes from battles past.

IMO, these two teams are the antithesis of each other and for that reason i think will be by far the best matchup we could see from a pure entertainment aspect. Still a ways to go before it happens, but it may be the first SC final in mnay years that I, personally, will have a real interest in watching beyond just the results.

[red sky]

So how much is Bickell going to get in the offseason now? Chicago will be hard pressed to sign him but I could see a number of teams, Flames included, who would be interested. The question is, is he more like a Donavan/Pisani type or is he the real deal? The guy is big and can skate and also has a terrific release. I'd welcome him on the flames for the right price.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by red sky

So how much is Bickell going to get in the offseason now? Chicago will be hard pressed to sign him but I could see a number of teams, Flames included, who would be interested. The question is, is he more like a Donavan/Pisani type or is he the real deal? The guy is big and can skate and also has a terrific release. I'd welcome him on the flames for the right price.

Flames should not get involved in a bidding war for this guy. He's a third/fourth line plugger inserted with a couple of star players right now. That talent will not be available on the Flames and he'll revert to his third/fourth line self in no time. Someone will overpay and be stuck with an albatross contract.

[red sky]

Yeah fair enough. I do see him controlling the play a but 6 of his 8 goals have come right in front of the crease. I'd still take him at 2.5 million or so but I imagine someone will pay 4 million which is an overpayment.

[thefoss1957]

Up to about March, this year, I would have labeled Bickell's Chicago tenure "dissapointing"...didn't seem to bring it every night, let alone every shift. I would not want to see the 'Hawks get into a bidding war for his services,

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by thefoss1957

Up to about March, this year, I would have labeled Bickell's Chicago tenure "dissapointing"...didn't seem to bring it every night, let alone every shift. I would not want to see the 'Hawks get into a bidding war for his services,

He's having a quarter season for the ages.

Some team will be disappointed 8 months from now when he's slumping.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by New Era

Flames should not get involved in a bidding war for this guy. He's a third/fourth line plugger inserted with a couple of star players right now. That talent will not be available on the Flames and he'll revert to his third/fourth line self in no time. Someone will overpay and be stuck with an albatross contract.

If it is on a deal in the range of 3–4 years I don't think it really matters much, honestly. The Flames have a pile of money that they need to spend, and so long as he does not hurt the plan to build for the future and to groom young talent over the course of the next few years, then I don't have a problem with them overpaying for overachievers like Bickell in the short-term.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

If it is on a deal in the range of 3–4 years I don't think it really matters much, honestly. The Flames have a pile of money that they need to spend, and so long as he does not hurt the plan to build for the future and to groom young talent over the course of the next few years, then I don't have a problem with them overpaying for overachievers like Bickell in the short-term.

The Flames should really only overpay on one year deals. Short team deals that they can flip at the deadline.

[nieuwy-89]

I could see the Oilers overpaying Bickell. He is the type of player they need, when is going like he is now.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Sutter may have a shelf life as a coach. We perhaps saw it here. Capture lightning in a bottle early. Tough to sustain or replicate

Makes you respect a guy like Scotty

I don't think it has anything to do with lightning in a bottle... LA has way too many injuries.

[MrMastodonFarm]

He's in the third round of the playoffs too. He just won two playoff rounds. If Sutter and the Kings didn't make the playoffs at all, then yeah sure, lighting in a bottle might make sense. But they Kings are losing to a very good Hawks squad.

[Northendzone]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

The Flames should really only overpay on one year deals. Short team deals that they can flip at the deadline.

but a player like bickell will likely receive some 4 yur offers - so why wiould he consider a short term deal

it will be interesting to see if he can continue his fine play - or if he becomes this decades john druce or kris kontos?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

but a player like bickell will likely receive some 4 yur offers - so why wiould he consider a short term deal

it will be interesting to see if he can continue his fine play - or if he becomes this decades john druce or kris kontos?

Yeah, I was talking about in general not just about Bickell.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Sutter may have a shelf life as a coach. We perhaps saw it here. Capture lightning in a bottle early. Tough to sustain or replicate

Makes you respect a guy like Scotty

Calling the Kings a "lightning in a bottle" situation shows a lack of understanding of their success, talent and team build, imo.

A lot of this type of opinion on the Kings comes from the 2011/12 regular season. I think a lot of people just look at the standings and assume it was a cinderella type team, not realizing that the reality is they were pretty bad at the beginning, but became one of the best teams in the NHL by the second half. But becaus they had lost so much ground at the beginning, ended up in 8th.

Now this season, they made it to the conference finals, and techincally still have a shot, albeit a small one, at going to the Cup finals two years in a row. That's not catching lightning in a bottle, that's constructing a Cup contending hockey team.

[thefoss1957]

Flameswin...if the Kings would show something on offense, then yes, Cup contender...but generating as little as they seem to be able to, then "Lightning in a bottle" or riding a hot goalie to steal a Cup, might apply...but, this playoff season, even at full strength, they seem to have to scratch for a 1 goal lead and then hang on. Heck, even with PPs last night, and with the 'Hawks without a top pair D-Man, a 2 SOG 3rd period does not speak to a potent offense or complete team.

[SuperMatt18]

Injuries have caught up to them this year, especially Kopitar not being 100%.

Hawks are the fresher team and it is showing.

[calumniate]

Yeah, no Mike Richards in the morning either

I'm pretty sure none of the LA forwards are healthy right now.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Injuries have caught up to them this year, especially Kopitar not being 100%.

Hawks are the fresher team and it is showing.

Agreed. The St.Louis series and the Sharks series took a much harder toll on L.A than what CHI had to endure in their first two series.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Calling the Kings a "lightning in a bottle" situation shows a lack of understanding of their success, talent and team build, imo.

A lot of this type of opinion on the Kings comes from the 2011/12 regular season. I think a lot of people just look at the standings and assume it was a cinderella type team, not realizing that the reality is they were pretty bad at the beginning, but became one of the best teams in the NHL by the second half. But becaus they had lost so much ground at the beginning, ended up in 8th.

Now this season, they made it to the conference finals, and techincally still have a shot, albeit a small one, at going to the Cup finals two years in a row. That's not catching lightning in a bottle, that's constructing a Cup contending hockey team.

It had more to do with getting everyone firing on all cylinders, and collectively doing what it takes to go deep. I don't dispute that they are a very solid team, lots of talent and depth. And playing very well.

Was more thinking that it is known that tough coaches sometimes come in and make a huge impact, then something happens, whether it be piece by piece chemistry dropping down, sometimes they start to lose the room just a bit.

By lightning in a bottle, I meant last year it was the perfect storm. What they did last year was remarkable, and this year they look less formidable. Just my opinion.

Just meant that winning the Cup is hard to do, much less repeat.