To be fair, I don't see anything in her platform that Jesus would be against. I find it much more annoying when gun-toting "freedom-loving" xenophobic nutjobs invoke Jesus, as if he was some kind of redneck good ol' boy messiah who'd be all for armed home defence and keeping the ragheads out of the country.
That probably explains why she only got 56 votes.
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the intolerance I'm talking about is on the responses from posters like T@T. Look back on his posts on the subject and you'll see what I'm talking about. Ie anyone who believes in a supernatural being you can't prove exists is stupid
Your right, I have no tolerance. How tolerant would you be if your 16 year old child still believed in santa clause or the easter bunny? why is it any different believing in those two characters and a religious god?
Change stupid to "lack of intelligence" if it makes you feel better!
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Your right, I have no tolerance. How tolerant would you be if your 16 year old child still believed in santa clause or the easter bunny? why is it any different believing in those two characters and a religious god?
Change stupid to "lack of intelligence" if it makes you feel better!
I think that South Park sums up the response to this argument best. Form the Morman episode.
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Gary Harrison: [to Stan] Look, maybe us Mormons do believe in crazy stories that make absolutely no sense, and maybe Joseph Smith did make it all up, but I have a great life, and a great family, and I have the Book of Mormon to thank for that. The truth is, I don't care if Joseph Smith made it all up, because what the church teaches now is loving your family, being nice and helping people. And even though people in this town might think that's stupid, I still choose to believe in it. All I ever did was try to be your friend, Stan, but you're so high and mighty you couldn't look past my religion and just be my friend back. You've got a lot of growing up to do, buddy. Suck my balls.
This need by some people to attack the person is what people mean when they find athiests intolerant. By all means attack the racist, sexist and homophobic beliefs but just a blanket statement that people lack intelligence or are stupid is pretty ignorent.
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I think that South Park sums up the response to this argument best. Form the Morman episode.
Gary Harrison: [to Stan] Look, maybe us Mormons do believe in crazy stories that make absolutely no sense, and maybe Joseph Smith did make it all up, but I have a great life, and a great family, and I have the Book of Mormon to thank for that. The truth is, I don't care if Joseph Smith made it all up, because what the church teaches now is loving your family, being nice and helping people. And even though people in this town might think that's stupid, I still choose to believe in it. All I ever did was try to be your friend, Stan, but you're so high and mighty you couldn't look past my religion and just be my friend back. You've got a lot of growing up to do, buddy. Suck my balls.
So what he's saying he doesn't have the strength to be a good person with a great life without the bullchit in his life.
Newsflash, Atheists have great lives, loving families and help others just as much as bible thumpers...probably even more so.
Maybe someone posted this already , but Einstein's "God" letter sold for over $3mill last year?
So, I've finally found a term to explain my use of "God", and that's colloquial metaphor.
It's a lot shorter than saying, "crap I'm too lazy to explain" or "unknown forces I may never understand", etc.
His letter caused quite a stir in those days.
Some of the excerpts.
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Einstein expressed his skepticism regarding an anthropomorphic deity, often describing it as "naïve" and "childlike". He stated, "It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I feel also not able to imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. My views are near those of Spinoza: admiration for the beauty of and belief in the logical simplicity of the order which we can grasp humbly and only imperfectly. I believe that we have to content ourselves with our imperfect knowledge and understanding and treat values and moral obligations as a purely human problem—the most important of all human problems.
The Word of God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish," Einstein wrote from his home in Princeton, N.J.
He claimed that no interpretation, no matter how sophisticated, could sway his stance.
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So what he's saying he doesn't have the strength to be a good person with a great life without the bullchit in his life.
Newsflash, Atheists have great lives, loving families and help others just as much as bible thumpers...probably even more so.
No, what the quote is saying is that religion can been a positive force in people lives. And if it is a positive force in people lives it really doesn't matter whether or not the deity exists or not. They are better for having religion
In response to your Newsflash I think you are reading something into that quote and my response that isn't there. Nothing in the quote or in my response judges the atheist. In fact as 'Stan' in south park is Christian it doesn't even reference atheism directly.
No, what the quote is saying is that religion can been a positive force in people lives. And if it is a positive force in people lives it really doesn't matter whether or not the deity exists or not. They are better for having religion
In response to your Newsflash I think you are reading something into that quote and my response that isn't there. Nothing in the quote or in my response judges the atheist. In fact as 'Stan' in south park is Christian it doesn't even reference atheism directly.
I fully understand that but with ease it could be flipped around to say religion has cause far more grief than good in this world,
Your right, I have no tolerance. How tolerant would you be if your 16 year old child still believed in santa clause or the easter bunny? why is it any different believing in those two characters and a religious god?
Change stupid to "lack of intelligence" if it makes you feel better!
I grew up in an atheist family and my dad told me there was no Santa Claus when I was 4. Despite some thinking that it may have ruined my childhood belief, it made me feel privileged to know. I appreciated the honesty just as what I now do debunks religions and what has become their man created god (or as you say a religious god). Looking deeper though, I do recognize god but it's a feeling like energy, not a separate being from my imagination or others imaginations.
Probably most have experienced this feeling and may go about trying to reenact it by setting up the same conditions but that can lead to a skewed view of the world by not understanding that the experience comes from within.
OMG only 2 parts of 5 released, but its a documentary which will be around 5hrs long and is based around last years Reason Rally. Its excellent and a must see.
The March of Reason
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