2013 World Championships

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

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No no no.

I trust you are right about the statistics but you are missing the point. Let´s look at carreer statictics then and you will still find that some players are simply better than others in shootout, hence are more skilled in that way. They get more shootout attempts? Sure, if they shown they are better than others.

No way you can argue it´s just rolling the dice when it comes to shootouts. Skill is definately involved. Individual skill, yes, but that´s still part of hockey. Team game first obviously but individual skill plays a big part.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Saqe

No no no.

I trust you are right about the statistics but you are missing the point. Let´s look at carreer statictics then and you will still find that some players are simply better than others in shootout, hence are more skilled in that way. They get more shootout attempts? Sure, if they shown they are better than others.

No way you can argue it´s just rolling the dice when it comes to shootouts. Skill is definately involved. Individual skill, yes, but that´s still part of hockey. Team game first obviously but individual skill plays a big part.

You commented that Datsyuk and Jokinen are "consistently top shootout players in the league". I pointed out that that statement is patently false.

Now you are moving the goalposts, but that's fine. As I noted, they are both at the top in career goals. They also have good shooting percentages no doubt, but here's the thing: for all Datsyuk's supposed shootout skill, the Red Wings as a team don't follow suit. Detroit was bottom third of the league in shootouts this year. Top third last year. Bottom third two years ago. Middle of the pack the three seasons before that, then bottom third in 2006-07.

Given shootouts reduce teams of 20 to three one-on-one battles, a single player should have a remarkable impact on the outcome. But the truth is, not only has Detroit's general overall superior skill failed to correlate to consistent shootout success, but Datsyuk being the top guy all time for shootout goals also has no correlation to team success.

Any way you slice it, skill isn't what drives shootout success.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

You commented that Datsyuk and Jokinen are "consistently top shootout players in the league". I pointed out that that statement is patently false.

Now you are moving the goalposts, but that's fine. As I noted, they are both at the top in career goals. They also have good shooting percentages no doubt, but here's the thing: for all Datsyuk's supposed shootout skill, the Red Wings as a team don't follow suit. Detroit was bottom third of the league in shootouts this year. Top third last year. Bottom third two years ago. Middle of the pack the three seasons before that, then bottom third in 2006-07.

Given shootouts reduce teams of 20 to three one-on-one battles, a single player should have a remarkable impact on the outcome. But the truth is, not only has Detroit's general overall superior skill failed to correlate to consistent shootout success, but Datsyuk being the top guy all time for shootout goals also has no correlation to team success.

Any way you slice it, skill isn't what drives shootout success.

First three paragraphs you write about how team success doesn´t correlate with shootout success.

Last sentence you talk about totally different subject, correlation between individual skill and shootout success.

Which one you want to talk about really?

[Itse]

Originally Posted by valo403

You should listen closer, Europeans were livid when the 2010 Olympics was played on NHL ice.

One of the things that sometimes irritates me quite a bit is how often people on this board say truly ridiculous things when it comes to Europeans and/or European hockey.

I mean, is there anyone on this board who does not know that all top European players play in the NHL? It's propable that the majority of the players on the signicant teams (that have any real voice in the matter) have played MORE professional games on NHL sized ice than European sized ice. (Which are not all the same size btw.)

So why would the Euros care that much? Yes, it's nice to play on a big ice because it gives the European teams a slight advantage, but overall, NHL players like playing on NHL ice, no matter where they played their junior years.

I get that people don't watch the KHL, and I get why people know next to nothing about the SEL or the FEL or what ever.

But this? This is stuff that EVERYBODY knows who knows anything about hockey, if they take one second to think about it. Sheesh.

/rant

[vennegoor of hesselink]

Evidently the Finns like the Sedins as much as Flames fans



Found the source
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/viihde/art-1288566243662.html

[Haplo]

In addition to the suspension for the rest of the tournament, IIHF today decided to give Alex Edler an additional 3 game suspension for the knee on Staal. This means he is in risk of being left out of the Olympic squad according to Swedish GM. He calls it "practically a life time suspension".

This seems ridiculously harsh to me. It was a reckless tackle, but not an intentional one.

[transplant99]

1 on 1 is less of a gimmick than 4 on 4???


Hahahahahahahaha.....oooh boy thats a kneeslapper.

[The Swedish Flame]

Loui Eriksson

[Saqe]

Sedin girls celebrating like they won a Stanley Cup.

[Haplo]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Sedin girls celebrating like they won a Stanley Cup.

Gosh, yeah winning a semi-final against the arch rivals on home ice is nothing to celebrate

[The Swedish Flame]

[OILFAN #81]

Good news on the E. Staal injury. Recovery time is expected to be 3 months as it was a grade 3 sprain of his MCL and he will not require surgery. It could have been a lot worse.

[Redrum]

Ortio would've shut Sweden out.

[Itse]

A decent game from Finland, but really it came down to them not having an answer to the Sedins.

Enroth was fine in goal too. The Finns had enough going on especially towards the end that on a different day they might very well have scored one or two on rebounds or screened shots, but not today it seems.

If we meet the Swiss in the bronze medal game, I'll actually be rooting for them.

It's been 60 years since Switzerland last had a medal, and ever since all medals have gone to the "big countries" of Canada, USA, Russia, Czech/Slovakia, Finland and Sweden. Getting a medal would propably be a huge deal for them.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Sedin girls celebrating like they won a Stanley Cup.

as Haplo mentioned it's their biggest rival and it's at home

also, for most Europeans growing up this tournament is as big as the Stanley Cup is over here

[Redmonster]

Reto Berra gets the nod today for the Swiss

[Saqe]

I thought I had 99.9% of the board with the comment on the Sedins. Damnit. Well, at least I know who are from Sweden or Nucks fans!

[868904]

Pretty impressive that John Gibson is starting. Is Bishop injured?

[Ashasx]

Oh Butler...

[The Swedish Flame]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I thought I had 99.9% of the board with the comment on the Sedins. Damnit. Well, at least I know who are from Sweden or Nucks fans!

I can't stand them, but I'll also admit that we'd never be in the final without them. I don't know what's right anymore