[Rumour] Iginla Trade Talk: Iginla scratched from CGY Vs. COL

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

One obstacle for the kings is their need isn't necessarily for forwards, but for d. The assets required to get iginla could be better spent on defencemen. In fact that could be the main obstacle for la right now, pending potential deals for defence.

That is probably the scenario for the other teams on The List. Boston is playing Aaron Johnson on a regular shift. That has to change if they want to challenge for the cup.

Chicago could use an upgrade on D, Oduya a -3 against a potential western final opponent exposed a weakness on their roster. They can already score, but can they defend against the kings? Uncertain.

Quick looks less than spectacular with a young defense in front of him. They need one, maybe two more veterans to solidify their chance at making the final.

Hmmmm, good points. They all got the email though! Iggy and Sarich or Iggy and Babchuk. Heck Iggy and any one of our D aside from Brodie and probably Gio.

I wonder if a teams like Boston or Chicago would consider some of our available, bottom tier D as upgrades over what they have as 4 to 6 D? Would probably require we take more salary back in return but could help get a deal done..

Or else as separate deals.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

The Flames asking price is pretty steep for someone who has statistically over the last few years made his linemates worse. I'm not a stats whiz but maybe someone who is would know the last player that benefited in a meaningful and statistical sense from playing with Iginla?

I think the last big change you could see if Stajan March 2012, vs Stajan the 3 years prior. Production was way up. Its only time he took a regular shift with Iggy for more than a game or two in a row, since arriving in Calgary.

[Hustle]

Originally Posted by #-3

I think the last big change you could see if Stajan March 2012, vs Stajan the 3 years prior. Production was way up. Its only time he took a regular shift with Iggy for more than a game or two in a row, since arriving in Calgary.

I'd argue that Cammalleri and Tanguay can thank #12 for their current contracts also. The guy is obviously not the same player he was from 2002-2009 but he still has something to offer. The fact that that this team is struggling around him right now is partly on him (as he is the captain) but I'd argue its more on management for expecting a 35 year old to carry a franchise on his back.

Iginla certainly isn't perfect but the notion that he's going to go into another dressing room and not accept a role is garbage IMO. All we've ever heard about is him being a consummate pro.... and it'll suddenly change when he gets the best opportunity in his career to win a cup? Doubt it.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

A guy that most people consider to have lost a step who is notoriously hard to coach and is used to being the alpha male on the team and not really having to ever answer for his play when he goes cold, who also dries up the Corsi stats of anyone who steps on the ice with him.

Every trade analysis I have heard so far always ends with something along the lines of "Nobody knows how Iginla will react to being asked to play a different/reduced role on a new team"

I really question whether the Flames would be a worse team without him this year, let alone a team who is willing to give up a significant package to aquire him.

Here, check it out for yourselves, the fact that the article is two years old is even more troubling, because Iggy hasn't improved over the last couple years.
http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2010/1...jarome-iginla/

The TL;DR version? "Every single line mate saw their possession numbers go down while skating with the club’s most expensive player.:

This has to be a joke.

The guy is single handedly responsible for a list of players making millions more than they would have had they not enjoyed extended time on his line.

The suggestion he's made line mates worse this year and last couldn't be a bigger stretch with the way the coaches have juggled 2nd - 4th line players on our top line because of a lack of depth.

There's a reason the teams supposedly interested in him are all cup favourites.

It's one thing to have a skewed minority opinion rooted in bias. It's another to suggest it's shared by NHL gerneral managers like it's somehow remotely close to being factual.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

He's not in charge.

I wish you'd stop presenting stuff like this as fact.

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

A guy that most people consider to have lost a step who is notoriously hard to coach and is used to being the alpha male on the team and not really having to ever answer for his play when he goes cold, who also dries up the Corsi stats of anyone who steps on the ice with him.

......

The TL;DR version? "Every single line mate saw their possession numbers go down while skating with the club’s most expensive player.:

I'm not that surprised though. Iginla's getting older and is no longer the force he used to be, that's just a natural decline. Problem is, on the Flames Iginla's line is still the first line when perhaps this should no longer be the case. No one has really emerged to take the reigns away from him as our number 1 scoring threat though. So he and whoever is on his line are going to keep facing the oppositions best on a regular basis.

Add to that this season he hasn't even been playing with a natural centre for most of it.

Personally I think he'd excel in somewhat of a reduced role, likely with more skilled line mates on a team like Boston, LA, Penguins, etc. Let the opposition focus on the Crosbys, Kopitars and Toews' instead of Iggy for a change.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I wish you'd stop presenting stuff like this as fact.

man you two are really after each other huh?

leave some thread for the rest of the class.

[Buck Murdock]

I will be very happy when this is over.

[drPepper1]

Trade deadline can't come any sooner

[GoFlamesGo1989]

Originally Posted by Buck Murdock

I will be very happy when this is over.

Maybe happy the season is over. but won't be so happy with the returns you will see for our garbage.

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

The suggestion he's made line mates worse this year and last couldn't be a bigger stretch

I was looking at the stats and drawing a conclusion based on data. I wouldnt call that a stretch. You don't have to agree, but i backed up my opinion with actual numbers. The counter argument seems to be entirely emotional and over-reactive. You want to disagree? I don't have a problem with that at all, but whats the basis of your argument?

[minnow]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

A guy that most people consider to have lost a step who is notoriously hard to coach and is used to being the alpha male on the team and not really having to ever answer for his play when he goes cold, who also dries up the Corsi stats of anyone who steps on the ice with him.

Every trade analysis I have heard so far always ends with something along the lines of "Nobody knows how Iginla will react to being asked to play a different/reduced role on a new team"

I really question whether the Flames would be a worse team without him this year, let alone a team who is willing to give up a significant package to aquire him.

Here, check it out for yourselves, the fact that the article is two years old is even more troubling, because Iggy hasn't improved over the last couple years.
http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2010/1...jarome-iginla/

The TL;DR version? "Every single line mate saw their possession numbers go down while skating with the club’s most expensive player.:

One of his former coaches reportedly wants him back on his team. Either your assumption is wrong or he's really, really worth the aggravation.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I wish you'd stop presenting stuff like this as fact.

Agreed. Didn't KK come out and say that he and the ownership group haven't hindered Feaster from doing his job at all? Until there is some sort of real proof out there, I just don't see the point of calling KK a liar.

[Flame Of Liberty]

First I'm worried that Feaster will spectacularly mess up IF they decided to trade Iginla, then I try to calm down thinking "hey Weisbrod is there too" but then I realize "what exactly has he done to think he's any better than Feaster" and then I'm worried again.

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by minnow

One of his former coaches reportedly wants him back on his team. Either your assumption is wrong or he's really, really worth the aggravation.

What report is that exactly that had anything to do with Sutter saying he wants Iginla back?

[minnow]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

What report is that exactly that had anything to do with Sutter saying he wants Iginla back?

If you haven't seen anything mentioned by now, you haven't been reading. Look it up, google search, easy.

[JazzyFlame]

Originally Posted by flame of liberty

first i'm worried that feaster will spectacularly mess up if they decided to trade iginla, then i try to calm down thinking "hey weisbrod is there too" but then i realize "what exactly has he done to think he's any better than feaster" and then i'm worried again.

+1

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

First I'm worried that Feaster will spectacularly mess up IF they decided to trade Iginla, then I try to calm down thinking "hey Weisbrod is there too" but then I realize "what exactly has he done to think he's any better than Feaster" and then I'm worried again.

I don't think very highly of Feaster myself, but I reassure myself by thinking that he uses Weisbrod and Goulet, and is probably using whatever other pro scouts the Flames have, and the PUCKS system as well to help in evaluating any talent. I am sure they are also using their amateur scouts for feedback on the prospects themselves. They all might end up blowing it, no doubt, but at least it is a number of people talking about it and questioning one another (I would assume) to at least reach some sort of consensus. I guess we will see shortly....

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by minnow

If you haven't seen anything mentioned by now, you haven't been reading. Look it up, google search, easy.

This must be the laziest reply I've ever seen. Tells me that I'm ignorant because it's so easy to find, yet doesn't bother to find it or post it himself. Apparently I haven't been reading, so enlighten me. Find it. Find any kind of article or reporting where Sutter says anything close to him wanting Iginla.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

The Flames asking price is pretty steep for someone who has statistically over the last few years made his linemates worse. I'm not a stats whiz but maybe someone who is would know the last player that benefited in a meaningful and statistical sense from playing with Iginla?

Craig Conroy (Career High 43 point prior to being a flame 75 points as Jarome's winger - career high)

Alex Tanguay (C.H. 79 points as an AV - 81 points as Jarome's winger - career high)

Mike Cammalleri (C.H 80 points as a King - 82 points as Jarome's winger - Career high)

Sean Donovan (C.H. 23 points in ATL - 42 points as Jarome's winger - Career high)

Brendan Morrison - 43 points, highest totals in 4 seasons playing with Iginla

Valeri Bure
Daymond Langkow
Kristian Huselius

... also benefited with career highs in point totals on Iggy's wing