Which player would you pick?

[Brodie66]

I'd rather have a team full of +20 players than a team full of -15 players, but I'd also rather have a team full of Mike Richards than a team full of Matt Stajans. Is this a trick question?

[Poe969]

It's kind of funny, Stajan and Richards aren't that far off but I"m sure if you asked 1000 people who'd they'd take between the two of them (asking their names, not just showing stats), 99% of them would take Richards. All this is showing is that on paper they look the same.

Remember a couple of years ago when "on paper" the Flames looked like they should compete for the cup? Stats lines don't compare things that can't be measured.

On paper they don't look too far off, and on paper the Flames don't look like too bad of a team and on paper the Flames can still make the playoffs. On the ice, it's a whole different story

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by kirant

I think Team +/- should also be noted.

Player 1's team is currently collectively -49 (-90/48 games)
Player 2's team is collectively +38 (+70/48 games)

Why? So you can have an excuse not to choose player 1?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Poe969

It's kind of funny, Stajan and Richards aren't that far off but I"m sure if you asked 1000 people who'd they'd take between the two of them (asking their names, not just showing stats), 99% of them would take Richards. All this is showing is that on paper they look the same.

Remember a couple of years ago when "on paper" the Flames looked like they should compete for the cup? Stats lines don't compare things that can't be measured.

On paper they don't look too far off, and on paper the Flames don't look like too bad of a team and on paper the Flames can still make the playoffs. On the ice, it's a whole different story

If we are still talking about the two players, which you don't seem to be, Player 1's immeasurables >> Player 2.

[memphusk]

Player 1

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

If we are still talking about the two players, which you don't seem to be, Player 1's immeasurables >> Player 2.

I get how some Flames fans think that their players are better than other players all the time but if you're honestly trying to tell me that Stajan brings more to the table than Richards..... you're probably going to tell me that the reason the Flames don't win the cup most years is because of a conspiracy against them.

Their stats lines are fairly close right now but Richards plays a physical game, plays the PK and is more of a threat to score than most anyone on our team, he plays agains the other teams top lines, he can shut down most lines by himself and he's already proven himself as a leader and a champion.

Stajan plays on the Flames and up until this year, most people would have given him away.

Don't let one year of him playing well make you think he's more than he is.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I get how some Flames fans think that their players are better than other players all the time but if you're honestly trying to tell me that Stajan brings more to the table than Richards..... you're probably going to tell me that the reason the Flames don't win the cup most years is because of a conspiracy against them.

Their stats lines are fairly close right now but Richards plays a physical game, plays the PK and is more of a threat to score than most anyone on our team, he plays agains the other teams top lines, he can shut down most lines by himself and he's already proven himself as a leader and a champion.

Stajan plays on the Flames and up until this year, most people would have given him away.

Don't let one year of him playing well make you think he's more than he is.

I wasn't honestly trying to tell you anything more than what I typed in my previous post. Don't turn it into something more to try and make youself look a certain way. There's enough of that going on here lately,.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Why? So you can have an excuse not to choose player 1?

Actually, it would imply the opposite. Player 1's high +/- on a team with a low value is much more impressive than Player 2's low +/- on a team that is positive as a whole.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I wasn't honestly trying to tell you anything more than what I typed in my previous post. Don't turn it into something more to try and make youself look a certain way. There's enough of that going on here lately,.

I honestly just don't know what you mean by Stajan having more immeasurables than Richards. What immeasurables does Stajan bring to the game? Saying something like this and then not backing it up is just like saying "well player X is the best player of all time because he is"

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I honestly just don't know what you mean by Stajan having more immeasurables than Richards. What immeasurables does Stajan bring to the game? Saying something like this and then not backing it up is just like saying "well player X is the best player of all time because he is"

Actually, it's not like that at all.

Stajan brings it every night. Richards doesn't. Pretty simple.

Richards can fall back on his talent.

[Huntingwhale]

Trick question. The answer is actually player 3.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

48 Game pace
Player 1: 6 goals, 26 assists, 32 points, +20
Player 2: 13 goals, 20 assists, 33 points, -15

Actual players are below. Pick before you look.






Player 1 = Matt Stajan
Player 2 = Mike Richards

I get my Richards mixed up, I thought you were talking about this guy.

Player 3: 4 goals, 11 assists, 15 points, +0 in 25 games for a pace of 29 points in 48 games.

Brad Richards, salary $12M + $8M signing bonus

[SixtySix]

This is a long way to go to give Stajan credit. He's no Mike Richards, but he's playing excellent this year. Why not just say that?

[trackercowe]

It's a shame Feaster likely kept one of our buyout clauses to use on Stajan next season, as obviously we won't be using it on him. The Flames should have just bought out Babchuk's contract; it's not like we'd be that much better with someone else, but it'd be good just to not have that worthless bum on the team.

[vilzeh]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I get my Richards mixed up, I thought you were talking about this guy.

Player 3: 4 goals, 11 assists, 15 points, +0 in 25 games for a pace of 29 points in 48 games.

Brad Richards, salary $12M + $8M signing bonus

I did too. I almost came out saying thank god we dodged a bullet there on Richards.........Well I'm gonna say it now, thank god we dodged a bullet on Brad Richards.

[Da_Chief]

Wasn't trying to state that Stajan is better then Richards. I would take Richards 100 times out of 100 if given the choice. Just a game where stats can mislead you, regardless though Stajan is having a career year.

Anyways..next..

Player 1: 7 goals, 19 assists, 26 points, +7 Cap hit: 7.9 mill
Player 2: 6 goals, 20 assists, 26 points, -2 Cap hit: 5.25 mill




Player 1: Shea Weber
Player 2: Dennis Wideman

[FurnaceFace]

Hopefully that's not too much white space for Seb.

I'm usually looking at bang for the buck and would pick player 2. Knowing the players I think I'd still be inclined to pick player 2. I always felt he was a good player. I guess it also depends on the makeup of the rest of my team and if player 1 would fit my needs better.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Actually, it's not like that at all.

Stajan brings it every night. Richards doesn't. Pretty simple.

Richards can fall back on his talent.

lol. Saying Stajan brings it every night is kind of funny. It would have been a little more believable if you would have said that "this past year, Stajan has brought it most nights and this year Richards hasn't shown as much heart as we're used to but he's falling back on his tallent more"

Stajan hasn't "brought it every night" but this year he seems to be playing better. I still think Richards plays with more heart on just about every shift. He'll sacrifice the body willingly, play the man and do what has to be done.... thos are reasons he was and still is a leader. Stajan isn't a leader, he's a good suppot player.

[Sylvanfan]

When comparing defenceman you need to know ice times and who they play against. But if you are in a week to week yahoo pool, and player 1 cost you an 8th round pick and player 2 was a waiver pickup....you got better value from player 2. If you evaluate players only on this season and with this season in mind, values are completely different than if you are thinking past this year.

[Enoch Root]

I would happily pay $7.9M for d-man #1

But I am also happy with d-man #2 at $5.25M