[News] Flames offersheet O'Reilly UPDATE: Avs match

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Based on comments made to the media by O'Reilly's camp, I wonder if O'Reilly will be asking the Avs NOT to match???

That would be extremely awkward. If I were a GM and a player asked me not to match, I would absolutely match and tell the guy to sit at home for the duration of the contract. PA wouldn't like that much.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Nobody is guaranteed anything. ROR certainly isn't guaranteed $6.5M, as an RFA or as a UFA. A player can ask for whatever they want, that doesn't mean they'll get it.

My god man, ROR is guaranteed an offer of that amount from the Flames if they want to retain his rights. As an RFA he can expect that, with the sole exception being if the Flames use their one time arbitration rights as against him, in which case he is guaranteed around 5.5 million with the potentially of much more.

[killer_carlson]

I think the Avs will wait until the last hour of the 7 days to make their decision. If we drop a couple games, it may affect their decision.

Perhaps we should call up Irving to start.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Nobody is guaranteed anything. ROR certainly isn't guaranteed $6.5M, as an RFA or as a UFA. A player can ask for whatever they want, that doesn't mean they'll get it.

Yes, but in most RFA scenarios if the team refuses to buck up the cash they still hold the player's rights. That's not the case with qualifying offers. If O'Reilly isn't offered the required amount in 2014 the team will lose his rights for nothing.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by $ven27

Oh please. The guy just turned 22, what 21 year olds have put up 50 points? Even without ROR we're not in Jones, MacKinnon, Barkov range.

Here you go

As you can see, it's a disgustingly talented list that any Flames fan would kill to see a Calgary player on. 25 players since 2000 have done it.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by calgARI

That would be extremely awkward. If I were a GM and a player asked me not to match, I would absolutely match and tell the guy to sit at home for the duration of the contract. PA wouldn't like that much.

sure, you'd like to, but your owner would be asking why there is 6.5 million dollars sitting at home getting fat on his dime.

[mrdonkey]

For what it's worth, Darren Dreger thinks there is no way the Avs will match.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Sven can ask all he wants, the difference is ROR is basically guaranteed that amount barring a very successful arbitration hearing by the Flames.

Wow you are really sure its going to come down to this.

Sorry i don't think it will. He will sign an extension on July 1st. I can almost guarantee it.

[Frank MetaMusil]

What if O'Reilly AND the Big Jankowski both pan out?

[Plett25]

My reaction to the offer sheet...

NSFW!

I have no idea how it will work out, and without a functioning crystal ball or time machine, nobody else does either. But it is interesting.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

My god man, ROR is guaranteed an offer of that amount from the Flames if they want to retain his rights. As an RFA he can expect that, with the sole exception being if the Flames use their one time arbitration rights as against him, in which case he is guaranteed around 5.5 million with the potentially of much more.

How is what I said incorrect?

In order for the Flames to qualify him, yes, it must be $6.5M. But you act like the Flames MUST qualify him. If the Flames don't qualify him, then he's guaranteed nothing.

So once again, I don't see the benefit for O'Reilly to hold out for nothing less than $6.5M, an amount we all know he won't get. It'll just hurt his reputation with GMs even more.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

So, you are saying, no matter which team is ends up on, Flames or Avalanche, he will not sign for anything less than $6.5M?

How can you say that? How can you say it's impossible for him to sign for less?

Do you really think ROR would reject a $30/5 year deal this off-season just so he can become a UFA in 2014?

WHAT IS THE BENEFIT FOR ROR TO HOLD OUT?

Nice to see you're still a terrible poster.

Originally Posted by Ashasx

What if Baertschi asks for $6.5M in 3 years?

Dammit, we're screwed.

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Sven can ask all he wants, the difference is ROR is basically guaranteed that amount barring a very successful arbitration hearing by the Flames.

Originally Posted by opendoor

Baertschi isn't legally owed an offer of a contract that pays him a minimum of $6.5M like O'Reilly will be.

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Nobody is guaranteed anything. ROR certainly isn't guaranteed $6.5M, as an RFA or as a UFA. A player can ask for whatever they want, that doesn't mean they'll get it.

Originally Posted by opendoor

Yes, but in most RFA scenarios if the team refuses to buck up the cash they still hold the player's rights. That's not the case with qualifying offers. If O'Reilly isn't offered the required amount in 2014 the team will lose his rights for nothing.

How many times does do you have to be told what a Qualifying Offer is, before you understand Ashasx?

Seriously...

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I think the Avs will wait until the last hour of the 7 days to make their decision. If we drop a couple games, it may affect their decision.

Perhaps we should call up Irving to start.

You sure about that? I would think they make their decision a little quicker based on the fact that they would want to get him in the line up faster.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by JJsChaos

So let me get this straight...

People in the forums are excited about getting a player that put up 2nd line points at best one time in his career, paying him 6.5 million dollars, and giving up a 1st and 3rd round pick that most likely will be Jones, Drouin, MacKinnon, Barkov, etc?

So that would leave us with a 4th and 6th round pick this year?

I've never felt so frustrated as a Flames fan in my life. I'm so jealous watching these teams with young, homegrown, dynamic players putting in effort, and entertaining the fans night after night. I know I'm doing a bit of right now, but I'm feeling super p'd right now.

exactly. look at the Stanley Cup champions for the past decade, they're all stocked full of their own draft picks and homegrown talent. look at the Flames roster in comparison, they have a total of 4 players that were drafted by Calgary (and one of those is Begin). when you look at the moves first made by Sutter and now by Feaster, it's quite obvious that this franchise doesn't respect the draft at all and/or are so bad at scouting talent that they'd rather throw picks away in favor of desperately trying to win now instead of planning for the future.

the Flames will never get a sniff of success until the whole mentality changes in that franchise, and they hire a GM who is capable of finding quality talent via the draft (and not just in the 1st round)

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

March 7th next Thursday

Does today not count as a day? If it counts he could be in the line up for Sharks game.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

How many times does do you have to be told what a Qualifying Offer is, before you understand Ashasx?

Seriously...

I know exactly what a qualifying offer is. Stop posting.

[Sakari]

I'm going to assume that obviously ROR has a bad attitude for playing for the Avs, and clearly a good attitude about playing in Calgary. I don't think that the Avs brass would want someone that doesn't want to play hockey there, playing there.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Wow you are really sure its going to come down to this.

Sorry i don't think it will. He will sign an extension on July 1st. I can almost guarantee it.

I am not sure of anything, I just know there is no rational reason beyond long term security for him to sign an extension. An any extension realistically should be for a lot more than 3 or 4 years, as he is in his worst case scenario guaranteed 5.5 million a year over the next two years after the expiration of this contract, so a 3 year 5 million dollar extension makes little to no sense.

[Sakari]

MOD EDIT: No insults, please.

[CedarMeter]

Originally Posted by indes

How long do they have to decide?

Week from today.