[News] Flames offersheet O'Reilly UPDATE: Avs match

[sureLoss]

Hmm interesting that the Avs press release on the offer sheet doesn't mention O'Reilly's name at all... signs of how fractured the relationship is? (or am I reading too much into things)

[Yoho]

Hard to believe the Flames are able to act like the NYYankees pushing their $ around. I love it!!

[TurnedTheCorner]

Originally Posted by Yoho

And yet Av's are asking way more if you want to trade with them

That may be so. It doesn't change that the offer sheet is an overpayment.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by pylon

107 points, in 236 career games.

What am I missing here?

That he just turned 22 and lead the league in takeaways last year?

[dammage79]

Edit: sureloss beat me to the punch. As always. I bow to you good sir.


This does not come across as a team that want this player in their organization, cannot even use his name.

[Mike Vernon]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

This "win now" mentality sure is pervasive.

In a year the Flames were looking like picking high in a very strong draft, this tells you all you need to know about how important the Flames think the playoffs are.

Maybe more worrisome than possibly giving up a high pick is the likelihood that this means no fire sale at the trade deadline, and no critical new assets then either. They could very well end up holding on to all their tradeable commodities, trying hard for the playoffs, missing by a few spots, and giving up a top ten pick in a solid draft.

In fact, that seems the most likely outcome if this goes through.

If we miss by a few spots we pick 12-14. Seriously people must think their are 15 Sydney Crosbys in the draft this year. How many points does Taylor Hall have this year??? He was No. 1 overall.

[Hemi-Cuda]

i'm really sick of this win now mentality. even when the Flames are legitimately bad and have a true shot at a lottery pick they still screw it up. if the Avs don't match then that means Calgary has no 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round pick in this year's draft. and to pay a guy 6.5m who hasn't even cracked 20 goals, ridiculous

i guess i'll just resign myself to more years of Flames mediocrity until ownership gets their heads out of their asses and accepts that this franchise needs a proper rebuild with someone competent in charge

[M*A*S*H 4077]

A Denver Reporter:

Mark Kiszla ‏@markkiszla
Gotta say: 2 yrs, $10m a little steep for O'Reilly. But love that when Avs said he wasn't worth penny over $3.5 yr, he stuck it to em.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Why do people think COL would match now? They could have easily signed him to this deal months and months ago. And no organization is so enamoured with one player so much that they say oh yeah, we still like you but we are just gonna wait and see if anyone offer sheets you. COL does not match. Actually, I think COL is the dummy here not actually pulling the trigger on anything with O'Reilly and let it get to this point. Like some media think, the relatioship between COL and O'reilly is so far gone that they simply cannot match, and maybe that is what Feaster is banking on.

These sorts of things are "who's going to blink first" scenarios. The Avs hoped that if they waited long enough, he'd blink first and settle for what they were offering. O'Reilly was hoping the opposite would be true. He also had the possiblity of receiving an Offer Sheet to sit back on as well.

Now, the Avs have two choices, they either match or lose the player. What has happened between the teams over the last year of negotiation is out the window now.

This is the 8th Offer Sheet that's been signed since the last lockout. Of the previous 7, only Penner's offer from the Oilers was not matched.

That's why people assume the Avs will match. History has shown that teams match them.

[Matty81]

I don't mind taking the risk, if the pick end up being outside the top 7 or 8 its a win, but 6.5 million a year is a major overpayment, the team just seems to be allergic to getting any contract value.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

What you are saying doesn't make sense.

Again. ROR KNOWS HE WON'T GET $6.5M FROM ANYONE RIGHT NOW.

So if he were to hold out in 2 years, it will NOT be because he wants $6.5M (again, unless he rips it up next season). That's ridiculous. He won't go to UFA and get a $6.5M if he maintains his current play.

If he were to hold out, it's because he wants to go to a new team, not a team that will pay him $6.5M. He's not stupid. He's not going to get $6.5M from this new team. He'd likely get a long term deal at around $5M. The Flames can trade him to a team that will be able to sign him, getting a big return.

The Flames have so many more options than what you've listed.

No what you are saying makes no sense. Your point about him not getting 6.5 million from anyone is wrong, if the Flames wanted to retain his rights and he did not want to sign a long term deal they would HAVE TO PAY HIM 6.5 MILLION DOLLARS. There is no holdout option for the guy, he either gets a 6.5 million dollar offer sheet and then signs it or he is a unrestricted free agent. It is pretty basic.

1) The Flames need to qualify him at 6.5 million
2) If the Flames do not qualify him at 6.5 million he becomes a free agent
3) The Flames can sign him to a multi-year contract before the end of the current contract for less.

My point is, why would ROR pick number 3. He knows that at the end of his contract one of two things happens:

1) The Flames sign him for 6.5 million a year
2) He becomes a UFA

In what world does he sign for less? The only reason is the one opendoor gave, which is security. This has nothing to do with a holdout, the Flames have to offer him 6.5 million dollars to retain his services. The Flames do not have a tradeable asset at any value, they have a 6.5 million dollar tradeable asset. The only way the Flames can retain his services is to either qualifying him or sign him long term before the contract is up.

If the guy did sign long term for security it would be for a hell of a lot longer than 4 years. The Flames would be looking at something like a 8 year 40 million plus contract.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

That may be so. It doesn't change that the offer sheet is an overpayment.

It also doesn't change our glaring need for a center, I would gladly give him the money than Jokinen

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

I have no issues giving up a 1st and a 3rd for him. What really worries me is the high QO offer we'll need to give him once this contract expires. True - we don't HAVE to qualify him...but then he'd be an UFA and we lose him in just 1.5 years (as well as our draft picks).

Why would he sign for a much more reasonable amount (around $4-$5M per year) just because he likes it here? He's already proven that he's all about the money and is willing to hold out to get as much as possible. In 1.5 years, he holds all the power as he knows he can either accept the QO at a ridiculous amount or become a UFA and cash in (just not to the degree of +$6.5M) since he'll be one of the most desirable free agents on the market.

As for if he refuses to sign, you'll have to trade him before next year's trade deadline if you want any sort of return. No one will give up much to get his rights and overpay him...especially if they know Calgary won't match.

The only way this works out is if he performs well enough that he's worth close to $6.5M in 2 years time so we can simply qualify him (or work out a long-term deal on similar terms that he'd be willing to accept).

Why didn't Parise ask for $14M in free agency?

Just because you qualify a player doesn't mean he'll sign, either. The Avs qualified ROR and he still didn't sign.

The qualifying offer value means nothing. The player can assign any arbitrary value they want to determine how much they will sign for, just as ROR did with the Avalanche. What if ROR asks for $10M in 2 years. Woe is us. What will we do? He's the one who has to sign on the dotted line in the end.

What if Brodie asks for $5M? Will he get it?

The qualifying amount is absolutely meaningless. It's simply a number used to retain RFAs longer so you can negotiate with them more.

The Flames will have an entire year to negotiate with ROR.

[TurnedTheCorner]

Originally Posted by Yoho

It also doesn't change our glaring need for a center, I would gladly give him the money than Jokinen

I'm thrilled something is being attempted to address the need for a center.

[Fischy13]

Flames QO is 6.5, but like Backlund this past year, the player can still agree to less money. Even if the first year has to be 6.5, the subsequent years could be a lot lower bringing his AAV to a reasonable 4-5-6 mil which ever depending on his performance.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by polak

Everyone seems to be calling him a proven commodity... he has one season where he hit 55 points.

Proven is a very generous term

If Backlund had the season that O'Reilly did last year people on CP would be creaming over him. Guys are a year apart. Pay is too much but it's for barely over a season. This is a move to get the team younger and deeper down the middle. Isn't that what very one wants?

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

The $6.5 million is also a poison pill so the Av's wont match. If anybody has read anything about this situation its pretty clear he did not want to go back after the Av's cut off comunication.

He will be a RFA in 2 years. Don't be surprised if the flames already have got a deal in place for July 1st extension. My guess he gets a $5 million a year deal for 4-5.

Fair enough - IF there's a "secret deal" in place then this works out well. If not, I'm really not a fan of what we'll have to pay him in 1.5 years. True - he knows he won't get $6.5M but that doesn't mean he'll just blindly sign with us. It means he either cashes in huge (we give him the QO) or he holds all the power as he'll be an UFA and can sign a long-term deal with ANY team. And based off him holding out already, it seems like he's all about the money and will merely go to the highest bidder. So we'll have to pay up one way or another...or lose him.

[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by pylon

107 points, in 236 career games.

What am I missing here?

Tenacious forechecker, heart and soul guy who gives 100% on all of his shifts, responsible defensively and is always matched up against the other teams top players, great faceoff guy, can play in all situations.

I think he's a Selke Trophy nominee for years to come, and I also think he has potential to be the #1 C the Flames need.

[M*A*S*H 4077]

Elliott Pap ‏@ElliottPap
Canucks say they did not tender an offer sheet on Ryan O'Reilly. "Bad scoop," commented AGM Laurence Gilman.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

It doesn't change that the offer sheet is an overpayment.

I don't think any offer sheet has any hope of surviving unless it's some form of overpayment. The question I guess is, how much of one and if it's worth it.