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kyuss275 · 02-27-2013, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Joker over an entire season gives you mediocrity. He all but disappeared offensivly in the last 15 games or more.

Most of the team disappeared down the stretch. Didn't Iggy have only one goal in that span?

I get Olli being get let go from a fans point of view. I don't get how Olli was let go from a managements point of view. They wanted to make the playoffs and at the very least had to have the same bad collection of centers to do it with adding skill in other areas. Instead they got worse at the center position, which i thought was near impossibe.

I really don't care that Olli was let go, i just don't see how management thought that getting worse at the center position would lead the flames to the playoffs.

Vinny01 · 02-27-2013, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

I would hope they aren't doing much if anything with Joey Macdonald in mind. He played well last night but overall has been pretty meh and shown this year and over his career he is an adequate, not great, back-up and nowhere close to a 1B unless we are going for the top pick.

If this team is actually going to tank and not care about winning then Ramo/Macdonald is a fine pairing, but if they have any desire to ice a respectable team then that is a disaster.

You are probably right but there needs to be a time to cut ties with Kipper and the team has stayed afloat with him gone for 11 games. If Ramo is supposed to be better then why not bring him over and let him know he has the keys? If the team gets a top pick that is a good thing long term, and it lets them get a good look at Ramo this season and decide if they go with him next year or if they need to try and bring in someone else.

Can Kipper bring back a center? Can he bring back a first? If so that first + could be used to bring in RoR? I guess it depends on what the market is for Kipper at this stage. A poor team looking to hit the cap floor could be interested like Florida. Kipper for Weiss + conditional 2nd (if he doesn't re-sign)?

FlamesAddiction · 02-27-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Crazy but maybe crazy enough to work....

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Not crazy enough to work. The guy is 40 and really fell off last season and the season before. He couldn't even find a job in the KHL this year.

moon · 02-27-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

You are probably right but there needs to be a time to cut ties with Kipper and the team has stayed afloat with him gone for 11 games. If Ramo is supposed to be better then why not bring him over and let him know he has the keys? If the team gets a top pick that is a good thing long term, and it lets them get a good look at Ramo this season and decide if they go with him next year or if they need to try and bring in someone else.

Can Kipper bring back a center? Can he bring back a first? If so that first + could be used to bring in RoR? I guess it depends on what the market is for Kipper at this stage. A poor team looking to hit the cap floor could be interested like Florida. Kipper for Weiss + conditional 2nd (if he doesn't re-sign)?

That would take a complete 180 from what the team has said about winning and going for 8th every year. If they decide they are okay with not competing for play-offs every year then I think you can look at moving Kipper but they haven't done that yet.

I would prefer more of a youth package back for Kipper than a UFA and 2nd round pick because moving out Kipper and bringing back Weiss seems like fixing one problem while creating a new one. No real need for Weiss on a Kipper-less Flames.

moon · 02-27-2013, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Phanuthier

As mentioned, there is a C who played in the NHL in the Flames org (not Blair Jones)..... Roman Horak. Why isn't he an option? Curious.....

Isn't Horak being used mainly, if not exclusively, as a winger down in Abby this year?

I thought there was even a quote where he talked about being more comfortable there.

If the guy isn't a center down in the AHL seems like a bad idea to put him there in the NHL.

Flame19,289 · 02-27-2013, 10:28 AM

I'm beginning to think a Krejci - Iginla swap would be a net positive trade for both the Flames and Bruins.

Vinny01 · 02-27-2013, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Flame19,289

I'm beginning to think a Krejci - Iginla swap would be a net positive trade for both the Flames and Bruins.

Would the Bruins be into that? I think that is a decent win-now trade for the Flames

moon · 02-27-2013, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Flame19,289

I'm beginning to think a Krejci - Iginla swap would be a net positive trade for both the Flames and Bruins.

Isn't Krecji a UFA in 2 years?

Risky proposition for the Flames who could end up with nothing from an Iginla deal by the time the team is ready to contend.

FlamesAddiction · 02-27-2013, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Would the Bruins be into that? I think that is a decent win-now trade for the Flames

I can't see it. Krejci is at least just as useful as Iginla at this point and will be moreso in the coming years.

Phanuthier · 02-27-2013, 10:34 AM

Oh damn. Maybe Scott Gomez

Roof-Daddy · 02-27-2013, 10:36 AM

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I can't see it. Krejci is at least just as useful as Iginla at this point and will be moreso in the coming years.

Not only that, but the Bruins have loads of cap space, one of the best records in the league (true cup contender) and all of their key players are south of 30 except Chara.

They absolutely do NOT need to subtract from their current roster to add for another Cup run.

They may add something, but it will be picks and/or prospects going the other way, not their #1 or #2 centre.

kyuss275 · 02-27-2013, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

Isn't Krecji a UFA in 2 years?

Risky proposition for the Flames who could end up with nothing from an Iginla deal by the time the team is ready to contend.

Have to agree with Moon, rather they look to the future. I do however think that ownership will not change their mandate even if they deal Iggy. Krecji or an active player like him is probably what the ownership group is going to want to get back in trade rather than a 1st and prospect that will help years down the road.

Pierre "Monster" McGuire · 02-27-2013, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Flame19,289

I'm beginning to think a Krejci - Iginla swap would be a net positive trade for both the Flames and Bruins.

We'd be damn close to having the whole Czech olympic team.

In all seriousness, not sure if Boston would do that, but I'd be happy with that return. He's 26, so he's in his prime.

North East Goon · 02-27-2013, 10:40 AM

This all boils down to this organizations need for a more assertive hockey guy selling a vision to ownership of his plans. a bunch of yes men is not going to do us any good.

Resolute 14 · 02-27-2013, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

Have to agree with Moon, rather they look to the future. I do however think that ownership will not change their mandate even if they deal Iggy. Krecji or an active player like him is probably what the ownership group is going to want to get back in trade rather than a 1st and prospect that will help years down the road.

At the risk of turning this into yet another Iginla's future thread, I think the call, ultimately, is Jarome's, not Feaster's and not ownership (though in the latter case, only because they willingly pass the burden to Iginla). So if Iggy decides he wants to take a shot at the Cup and can't do it here, I think you'll see trades along the lines of the deal which we acquired him: we'll want something for now, and something for the future.

But that is only thinly related to the issue of acquiring a centre now.

Pierre "Monster" McGuire · 02-27-2013, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by North East Goon

This all boils down to this organizations need for a more assertive hockey guy selling a vision to ownership of his plans. a bunch of yes men is not going to do us any good.

I think you've got a bit backwards NEG. I'm pretty sure it's a top-down thing, not a bottom-top thing.

kyuss275 · 02-27-2013, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

At the risk of turning this into yet another Iginla's future thread, I think the call, ultimately, is Jarome's, not Feaster's and not ownership (though in the latter case, only because they willingly pass the burden to Iginla). So if Iggy decides he wants to take a shot at the Cup and can't do it here, I think you'll see trades along the lines of the deal which we acquired him: we'll want something for now, and something for the future.

But that is only thinly related to the issue of acquiring a centre now.

I agree that its Iginla's call, but if he does decide that he wants to leave he has no say on what the return will be. He might have say on which team he wants to go to , but that's it. After that its up to ownership and management to decide what the best course of action and return would be for Iggy. My belief is that ownership would rather get a player back now that helps short term rather than going with the picks and prospect route.

Phanuthier · 02-27-2013, 10:47 AM

Is Max Reinhart even a remote possibility as a callup?

Pierre "Monster" McGuire · 02-27-2013, 10:49 AM

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Is Max Reinhart even a remote possibility as a callup?

Not this season. But I will say he's looking much much better than he did at the start of the season.

kyuss275 · 02-27-2013, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by North East Goon

This all boils down to this organizations need for a more assertive hockey guy selling a vision to ownership of his plans. a bunch of yes men is not going to do us any good.

You might be right, but i don't see the ownership group hiring a person like that. The only reason i believe Feaster was hired without any other interviews because ownership did not want to hear from other applicants that a re-build was the best way to go.

Burke is available. Do you see Ken King and ownership hiring him? I can't see it.