Comcast Philly....Iggy to Philly or Boston

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by polak

That's fair. Just don't be suprised when Iginla fetches you a late first round pick or even a 2nd rounder and "prospect" that is more likely to be AHL quality then NHL.

Oh I've been saying that for a while now. Iginla is going to bring back no where near what fans here expect. UFA rentals that are older scoring players usually plays out quantity for quality. In that we'd get a late 1st and a bunch of b-level prospects/roster guys.

[polak]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This is laughable.

What do you think Iginla, who has a total of 3 goals and is closer to hanging it up then he is to his 30th birthday, will fetch?

[moon]

Originally Posted by polak

That's fair. Just don't be suprised when Iginla fetches you a late first round pick or even a 2nd rounder and "prospect" that is more likely to be AHL quality then NHL.

Paul Gaustad gets a 1st round pick but Iginla gets a 2nd rounder and a bad prospect?

I think the days of the Schenn/Simmons packages are over but there is no way Iginla doesn't get a 1st round ++ back based on what other guys have got back.

[moon]

Originally Posted by polak

What do you think Iginla, who has a total of 3 goals and is closer to hanging it up then he is to his 30th birthday, will fetch?

More than what Paul Gaustad fetched and more than just adding a b level prospect to what Dominic Moore fetched.

I think most NHL teams are so short sighted to say well Iginla only has 3 goals this year so screw him he is done. They likely look at the team he has around him, what he has done over his career and the past few years and take into consideration of how he will fit in with his team and how he will play with the guys they have. Considering the team trading for him is going to put him with significantly better players than what he is playing with they likely realize the 3 goals he has right now means jack squat in terms of what he is worth.

[polak]

Okay obviously if there is only a 2nd rounder coming our way the prospect/player will be better but frankly if any team is willing to give up anything of more value than a 1st I'd take it and run.

Like others have said. Expect quantity and not quality.

[krispykream]

i wouldn't be able to see iginla in a boston uniform or philly , i rather see him in Pittsburgh

[flamesaresmokin]

Originally Posted by HELPNEEDED

We're talking about a guy that was the vocal captain of the flames, him and Jarome worked well tandeming the captain role.

This has any bearing on his level of play and value how? The assessment of his play shouldn't be concerned with what he allegedly did in the room.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

A second line centre is a lot more than Iginla will be in 2-5 seasons.

But also not that difficult to acquire either through free agency or the draft (or a trade other than Iginla).

I think the time to trade Iginla was a couple of seasons ago. The hockey assets we'd get back likely wouldn't be greater than the other things Iginla brings that can't be easily measured.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

But also not that difficult to acquire either through free agency or the draft (or a trade other than Iginla).

I think the time to trade Iginla was a couple of seasons ago. The hockey assets we'd get back likely wouldn't be greater than the other things Iginla brings that can't be easily measured.

I don't think it's easy to acquire a 2nd line center through free agency or trade. If it was easy the flames would have already done it.

[Joker]

Don't think we are getting Shenn. He is/was a bonafide blue chip prospect, and looks to be living up to expectations. I do think Iggy will fetch a good return still though.

Man does it ever seem like the year to sell. Teams needing dmen (Jay-Bo). Iggy, as previously stated, will get a good return IMO. Short season so no long death march after selling. And finally, this years draft is super deep.

All signs point to it being the time to pull the trigger

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Joker

Don't think we are getting Shenn. He is/was a bonafide blue chip prospect, and looks to be living up to expectations. I do think Iggy will fetch a good return still though.

Schenn has become too big of a part of Philly's offence. It makes no sense for them to give up a player that is contributing in such a big way at the deadline.

Expect a player similar to Schenn who hasn't broken out yet.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

But also not that difficult to acquire either through free agency or the draft (or a trade other than Iginla).

I think the time to trade Iginla was a couple of seasons ago. The hockey assets we'd get back likely wouldn't be greater than the other things Iginla brings that can't be easily measured.

Repeating the myth that Cliff brought up. "it's easy to recoup picks / secondary players"

No, no it's not.

[Joker]

Originally Posted by blankall

Schenn has become too big of a part of Philly's offence. It makes no sense for them to give up a player that is contributing in such a big way at the deadline.

Expect a player similar to Schenn who hasn't broken out yet.

Havent followed Philly too much this year...how is Cotourier?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I don't think it's easy to acquire a 2nd line center through free agency or trade. If it was easy the flames would have already done it.

But most other teams have done it.

Don't confuse bad management with something being difficult to do. The Flames are very much below the bar when it comes to acquiring centres. There are probably 20 to 25 teams that have not had the issues we have had in this respect.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Joker

Havent followed Philly too much this year...how is Cotourier?

Their #2 Centre. Without Coutourier, they begin to look pretty weak at centre.

Personally, I don't see Philly as a very good trading partner for Iggy. He doesn't really fit their needs. Philly has a strong group of top forwards in Schenn, Voracek, Giroux, Coutourier, Simmonds, etc..

Philly could really use another d-man, especially one with some offensive upside. Philly would be much better off trying to acquire J-Bo.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I don't think it's easy to acquire a 2nd line center through free agency or trade. If it was easy the flames would have already done it.

The Flames have never had a problem acquiring 2nd line centres. Our problem is jamming second line centres into first line centre positions.

A second line centre is typically a 40-60 point guy with some defensive upside. The Flames had 2 very capable second line centres in Stajan and Jokinen last year. It's arguable that when slotted into that role, both perform near the top of the league. People get frustrated with both players when they aren't bonafide first line centres.

[Joker]

It would almost make more sense (to me) to send Iggy or even Bouwmeester to the kings for Bernier +

[dammage79]

I think there is a fit with Philly for a trade. They need D of all kinds. We have D of all kinds.
Puck movers, a big stay at home kind of D who lives in the press box right now, A big right handed shot and two way guys.

Okay, just looked at cap geek and Philly has litterally 0 cap space. They need to dump players. Actually have 11 D on the roster. I do not think cap geek had them like that yesterday.
EDIT: Flyers have 3.8 million in space after LTIR is taken into consideration.

And according to todays cap geek numbers, the Flames have over 7 million in cap space.

[Vinny01]

For the Flames to maximise a Bouwmeester trade we should retain 30-50% of his salary and his worth would be extremely high to any contending teams or teams in general that want a top pairing Dman that can eat minutes.

He may be our best trade asset right now and I do not think the Flames are afraid to pull the trigger if they get the offer they want. Will Bouw waive is the real question?

[krispykream]

doesn't bouwmeester have a no trade clause?