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[Corral]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Even though I know it's irrational, I'm one of those fans that will be devasted if I have to see Jarome Iginla in a different jersey. It would be a sad day, and I think it'd take a little bit to care about the Flames again after that.

Thought the same thing when Fleury was traded. You'll get over it.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by Corral

Thought the same thing when Fleury was traded. You'll get over it.

The Fleury trade was even harder: I honestly believed at that point that Calgary would never see another big name star player again. At that point, unless they drafted or developed one, that was a plausible belief too.

Boy those were dark days.

At least if Jarome goes, we'll find someone else to legitimately pin our future hopes on in fairly short order.

[Red Slinger]

Sveny, Sveny, Sveny
Oi! Oi! Oi!

[FlameZilla]

I'd find the loss of my all-time favourite player almost bearable if we managed to prise Dougie Hamilton away from the Bruins.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by nik-

Substance in terms of characters yes. In terms of relevance to my post, not really. I said nowhere that Iginla has no value, in fact I think he does. What I said what that his value wasn't Schenn which I think is an incredibly reasonable opinion.

I should have just left his post alone and not replied. The timing of it just bothered me.

Well I apologize if you are "bothered". My comment came only after reading the thread, timing was that simple.

It was merely an observation of how little value people seem to attach to a sure fire HOF player who is not done playing yet, no more and no less.

I get he has had a poor start to this season...what's new? However, and this is the point I was making, people involved in the NHL for a living are NOT going to base a deal on 15 games played in 2013, and instead will judge what they are willing to part with based on what the guy has done overall the last few years. No one is suggesting that what he did 10 years ago will have any bearing on what he will do going forward, as that is just as dumb as judging him on this season alone. What they will consider though is what he is able to do recently...as in the last few years.

Iginla, if dealt, will fetch a very nice package from someone. Whether or not he is actually traded is a very different discussion though.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

The Fleury trade was even harder: I honestly believed at that point that Calgary would never see another big name star player again. At that point, unless they drafted or developed one, that was a plausible belief too.

Boy those were dark days.

Hell, back then I didn't think we'd even have the Flames in Calgary in another 5 years. Between the loonie sitting at 61 cents U.S., no salary cap, and all the "Flames to Portland, Oilers to Houston, Sens/Habs in trouble.." rumours, I was legitimately starting to wrestle with the idea of having to become a Leafs fan down the road, on the potential belief that in another 10 years or so, they'd be the only Canadian team left.

Dark days indeed..

[return to the red]

unfortunately if the Flames aren't 8 pts or greater out of the playoff picture Iginla isn't going anywhere.

Flames ownership has way too much control over hockey issues and to them Iginla is still the only marketable player. Now if Sven was to start to light it up, it would be the best thing for this franchise from a business and hockey standpoint.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

The Fleury trade was even harder: I honestly believed at that point that Calgary would never see another big name star player again. At that point, unless they drafted or developed one, that was a plausible belief too.

Boy those were dark days.

At least if Jarome goes, we'll find someone else to legitimately pin our future hopes on in fairly short order.

I agree with this. At that time, Fleury was the only star player left on the Flames and it seemed like that for the forseeable future, the Flames would not be able to attract or pay for any others. At least now, the Flames do stand a chance at signing free agents and keeping players that we develop. Even if due to our place in the competetive cycle, we aren't high on the list, the cap system allows for more of a chance.

I don't want to trade Iginla, but I don't see it as the end of the world either. Unless the deal is really lopsided in our favour, I'd be happy to see him playout his career as a Flame. I honestly don't believe any return for him is going to be for the kind of assets that accelerate the rebuild by a meaningful amount.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I honestly don't believe any return for him is going to be for the kind of assets that accelerate the rebuild by a meaningful amount.

Every amount in meaningful - in a hockey sense. And Iginla retiring a Flame has no asset value - in a hockey sense.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Every amount in meaningful - in a hockey sense. And Iginla retiring a Flame has no asset value - in a hockey sense.

So did the trash that the Oilers got for Ryan Smyth 6 years ago help their rebuild in any meaningful way?

They tanked to get Ganger with their own pick who has been an okay player so far but are still 12th in the West after being 30th, 30th, 29th.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by return to the red

Flames ownership has way too much control over hockey issues and to them Iginla is still the only marketable player. t.

I love it when fans complain about the guys who put up hundreds of millions of dollars caring about their investment.

Seriously, you cannot seriously suggest that they put their $$$ up and then walk away completely.

And by the way, not every fan agrees that moving Iginla is the right move.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

So did the trash that the Oilers got for Ryan Smyth 6 years ago help their rebuild in any meaningful way?

They tanked to get Ganger with their own pick who has been an okay player so far but are still 12th in the West after being 30th, 30th, 29th.

I agree.

I do not think that moving Iginla is essential for a rebuild or retooling. I like the guy, like how he prepares in the offseason, like how he handles the pressure of a hockey market and would want young talent to soak up as much as they could from being around a guy like that.

[polak]

Am I the only one who looks at the Regher trade and gets worried about Feaster handling an Iginla trade?

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

So did the trash that the Oilers got for Ryan Smyth 6 years ago help their rebuild in any meaningful way?

They tanked to get Ganger with their own pick who has been an okay player so far but are still 12th in the West after being 30th, 30th, 29th.

Even if you take out Lupul who the Ducks then mismanaged, I am sure they are going to be at the point in the next 2 or 3 years where Luca Sbisa, Kyle Palmieri, Emerson Etem and Mat Clark will provide more value to them than Chris Pronger would. Hell, I would imagine they provide more value right now and even last year.

A true rebuilding trade may take a couple years to show its value, but it is almost impossible to deny that barring a complete and utter disaster, whatever one was to get for Iginla in a hypothetical deadline trade would probably be more valuable to the Flames than not getting anything at all in the offseason. Since there is really nothing stopping the Flames from signing him in the offseason if they want to, that really should be the standard. Even if another team picked him up and immediately signed him to an extension, in all likelihood whatever the Flames might get for him from that other team would be more valuable.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

So did the trash that the Oilers got for Ryan Smyth 6 years ago help their rebuild in any meaningful way?

They tanked to get Ganger with their own pick who has been an okay player so far but are still 12th in the West after being 30th, 30th, 29th.

Do you think they would have been better off if they kept Ryan Smyth?

Bad management is bad management whether during a rebuild or not so blaming rebuilding for the mess the Oilers are in ignores the real problem they have which is crap management.

People shouldn't be afraid to make moves because Kevin Lowe screwed up when he made a similar move.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by polak

Am I the only one who looks at the Regher trade and gets worried about Feaster handling an Iginla trade?

Nope. Getting rid of Regehr and his cap hit was great, anything we received in return was gravy.

[monkeyman]

speaking of rebuilds and Fleury... would it be accurate to say that was the last time the flames attempted a true rebuild? I don't think I'd make it through another young guns era.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

speaking of rebuilds and Fleury... would it be accurate to say that was the last time the flames attempted a true rebuild? I don't think I'd make it through another young guns era.

It's bound to happen so better buckle up. Unless Sven breaks out right away, Ramo comes and plays lights out there are some dark years coming up with or without the "sell off".

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by polak

Am I the only one who looks at the Regher trade and gets worried about Feaster handling an Iginla trade?

Hard to say. Feaster has not made many big trades.

I would be more concerened that if Iggy says he wants to be traded, that ownership does not want to change their mandate. They could very well tell Feaster that the return for Iggy better be a player or players that are going to be on the roster now and next year. That could take away a trade proposal of a 1st and a prospect. As others have stated, most teams trading for Iggy are going to want to keep their top 6 players and top 4 d-men. Flames might get stuck with a 3rd line player and a bottom 6 d-man if thats the best they can get under those parameters.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I agree with this. At that time, Fleury was the only star player left on the Flames and it seemed like that for the forseeable future, the Flames would not be able to attract or pay for any others. At least now, the Flames do stand a chance at signing free agents and keeping players that we develop. Even if due to our place in the competetive cycle, we aren't high on the list, the cap system allows for more of a chance..

This is a good point. But i also think Iginla has played this role of attracting free agents here for some time now. When he leaves or retires, the Flames will fall down the free agent tick list. Say what you want about all of Calgary's attractions - the city is not in the majors when it comes to urban millionaires seeking to live amongst themselves. In this light, Calgary is just a fraction above Edm and Winnipeg.