[PGT] Flames embarrassed at home again

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

One of the defining moments for me of the night was when Bouwmeester was trying to hold the puck in the LA zone with about 10 minutes left, King instead just shoves Bouwmeester 2 feet right out of the zone along with the puck. No response.

The scary part for the Flames? LA didn't even play up to their full potential. Imagine the playoffs (lol) if Darryl has his guys dumping the puck, winning every race and cycling consistently like we saw last year. We just don't have the guys on the back end or wingers with the ability to do anything about it.

Not even fair.

That comment reminded me of this scene in Major League http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_wc9JvTXGc

At the 1:40 mark and the ensuing discussion reminds me of discussing Flames hockey this year.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Dienasty

Because he is a good GM? Did you not see his last attempted rebuild?

You know when he ruined the Leafs by moving (Seguin, Hamilton and Knight) for Kessel.

Plus he is an arrogant ######bag... Pass

Remember him and Feaster have the same amount of Stanley Cup rings... And Feaster actually built his team, Burke inhereted his.

??? Feaster was hired as GM Feb 2002, his team was a division champ in 2003 and won the cup in 2004. Lecavlier, Richards, St Louis were already there. By 2006, his team was last place and drafting Stamkos.

Sounds pretty similar to Burke. It can be argued Burke built Vancouver, who went to the Cup finals.

[Machiavelli]

What a joke, the way the Flames stood around looking stupid after Macdonald was run. Pathetic. You already lost your star goalie and don't do anything when the backup nearly gets his head taken off? I guess that's what happens when uber softie Boumweester is one of your so-called leaders on defense. I was also surprised to see that one of the Flames on the ice at the time was Iginla...does he only stick up for himself these days?

I hope Hartley called them out on that big time. I liked his comments to the media on the play.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

What a joke, the way the Flames stood around looking stupid after Macdonald was run. Pathetic. You already lost your star goalie and don't do anything when the backup nearly gets his head taken off? I guess that's what happens when uber softie Boumweester is one of your so-called leaders on defense. I was also surprised to see that one of the Flames on the ice at the time was Iginla...does he only stick up for himself these days?

I hope Hartley called them out on that big time. I liked his comments to the media on the play.

Wasn't Butler-Smith on the ice for that?

[North East Goon]

Originally Posted by Dienasty

Because he is a good GM? Did you not see his last attempted rebuild?

You know when he ruined the Leafs by moving (Seguin, Hamilton and Knight) for Kessel.

Plus he is an arrogant ######bag... Pass

Remember him and Feaster have the same amount of Stanley Cup rings... And Feaster actually built his team, Burke inhereted his.

He did some good and some bad for the Leafs. He seems like a better hockey mind than Feaster imho.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Wasn't Butler-Smith on the ice for that?

Yeah, I'm just saying that the defense has gotten a lot softer since #4 joined the team.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by fotze

When Mach is turning on Iginla, things are getting bad. Soon timbit will be anti-iginla as well.

It's still a question though.

"Does Iginla only stand up for himself now?"

As if the answer was uncertain.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Yeah, I'm just saying that the defense has gotten a lot softer since #4 joined the team.

Trading Phaneuf and Regehr and replacing them with Babchuk and Butler has made them soft, not adding bouwmeester.

Scratching Sarich in favour of Butler or Smith or Babchuk has made them soft.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Dienasty

Remember him and Feaster have the same amount of Stanley Cup rings... And Feaster actually built his team, Burke inhereted his.

His only 2 decent acquistions for the cup run in 04 were Fedetanko and Stillman.

Bulin, Richards, St.Louis, Modin, Lecavilier, Boyle, Prospal, Anderchuyk, Kubina, Sarich, Taylor - these guys were from the Dudley era.

But he did a great job at subsequently taking that team from a contender to picking 1st overall within a couple years.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Trading Phaneuf and Regehr and replacing them with Babchuk and Butler has made them soft, not adding bouwmeester.

Scratching Sarich in favour of Butler or Smith or Babchuk has made them soft.

Are you finally seeing the light with Butler?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Trading Phaneuf and Regehr and replacing them with Babchuk and Butler has made them soft, not adding bouwmeester.

Scratching Sarich in favour of Butler or Smith or Babchuk has made them soft.

Won't argue that Sarich makes the flames tougher. Problem is that he is so damm slow. At this point in time i would say having Sarich in the lineup is better than not. Going forward though they need a physical D-man that can keep up with the play.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Are you finally seeing the light with Butler?

I don't think I've ever held the position that Butler was more than a bottom pairing defender, a #4 on a non-playoff team.

[Dienasty]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

??? Feaster was hired as GM Feb 2002, his team was a division champ in 2003 and won the cup in 2004. Lecavlier, Richards, St Louis were already there. By 2006, his team was last place and drafting Stamkos.

Sounds pretty similar to Burke. It can be argued Burke built Vancouver, who went to the Cup finals.

Fair enough, I stand corrected on the Feaster point.

Other then the Sedins Burke didn't have an impact on that roster: Was there anyone else held over from his era? Salo?

So I guess Burke and Feaster are fairly similar the difference is that Feaster got Tampa Stamkos and Burke traded Seguin... And Feaster isn't an arrogant buffoon.

(Lowe feud, stating he would never trade for anyone hamstringing the GM by requesting a trade (Heatley) only a couple years after doing that exact thing to get Pronger, his feud with Don Cherry, <removed>)

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Dienasty

Fair enough, I stand corrected on the Feaster point.

Other then the Sedins Burke didn't have an impact on that roster: Was there anyone else held over from his era? Salo?

So I guess Burke and Feaster are fairly similar the difference is that Feaster got Tampa Stamkos and Burke traded Seguin... And Feaster isn't an arrogant buffoon.

(Lowe feud, stating he would never trade for anyone hamstringing the GM by requesting a trade (Heatley) only a couple years after doing that exact thing to get Pronger, his feud with Don Cherry, and his recent firing due to the Hazel Mae fiasco)

Kesler, Bieksa, and I suppose Nonis, he also was responsible for the West Coast express team which although they didn't win were a pretty good team.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

His only 2 decent acquistions for the cup run in 04 were Fedetanko and Stillman.

Bulin, Richards, St.Louis, Modin, Lecavilier, Boyle, Prospal, Anderchuyk, Kubina, Sarich, Taylor - these guys were from the Dudley era.

But he did a great job at subsequently taking that team from a contender to picking 1st overall within a couple years.

The salary cap killed that team.

All those players needed new contracts once the CBA negotiations killed a season, he had no chance to afford all of them, and they all became RFA/UFA with him not having the opportunity to sign them in season.

It was a $39 million dollar cap and Bulin, Richards, St.Louis, Lecavilier and Boyle were all looking for $5-7 million dollars.

He really didn't have a choice but to let some of them walk since he couldn't spend $30+ million dollars on 5 players.

The fate that Feaster ran into in Tampa was a similar fate to what Dale Tallon/Stan Bowman ran into Chicago but with a $39 million dollar cap instead of a $65 Million dollar cap.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The salary cap killed that team.

All those players needed new contracts once the CBA negotiations killed a season, he had no chance to afford all of them, and they all became RFA/UFA with him not having the opportunity to sign them in season.

It was a $39 million dollar cap and Bulin, Richards, St.Louis, Lecavilier and Boyle were all looking for $5-7 million dollars.

He really didn't have a choice but to let some of them walk since he couldn't spend $30+ million dollars on 5 players.

The fate that Feaster ran into in Tampa was a similar fate to what Dale Tallon/Stan Bowman ran into Chicago but with a $39 million dollar cap instead of a $65 Million dollar cap.

Chicago was able to keep some semblence of control with their moves. They moved off guys like Ladd and Byfulgin who wanted major dollars and brought in some cheaper players. Yes, it was a struggle, but it wasn't a complete disaster.

No doubt the Salary cap hurt the team, but when forced to make roster decisions like that, you need to make the right ones. Feaster decides to let his #1 goalie walk who was one of the best players on the team and then trades Fredrick Modin for Marc Denis.

That wasn't all salary cap.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The salary cap killed that team.

All those players needed new contracts once the CBA negotiations killed a season, he had no chance to afford all of them, and they all became RFA/UFA with him not having the opportunity to sign them in season.

It was a $39 million dollar cap and Bulin, Richards, St.Louis, Lecavilier and Boyle were all looking for $5-7 million dollars.

He really didn't have a choice but to let some of them walk since he couldn't spend $30+ million dollars on 5 players.

The fate that Feaster ran into in Tampa was a similar fate to what Dale Tallon/Stan Bowman ran into Chicago but with a $39 million dollar cap instead of a $65 Million dollar cap.

couldn't he have traded some of these guys tho?

I think Tallon was already gone by the time Chicago started dismantling...at least that is my recollection...

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by troutman

WRGMG - TOR and MTL are winning, and they don't seem any better on paper.

Montreal is better on paper than the Flames. Price, Markov, Subban, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, and Plekanec is a significantly stronger core than Kipper, Bouwmeester, Wideman, Iginla, Cammaleri, and Tanguay. And most of those guys are under 27, so they're only going to get better.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Wasn't Butler-Smith on the ice for that?

Sorry but you can't blame Butlersoft for that. It was Brodie for sure and i'm guessing Wideman was the other dman.

That was so pathetic. I was waiting for Brodie to help Lewis to his feet and carry him to the penalty box.

[joe_mullen]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Sorry but you can't blame Butlersoft for that. It was Brodie for sure and i'm guessing Wideman was the other dman.

That was so pathetic. I was waiting for Brodie to help Lewis to his feet and carry him to the penalty box.

It was Wideman.