NRA calls for armed police officers in all U.S. schools

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Smartcar

919 people killed by guns in the US since Sandy Hook, including 14 kids. In 31 days. Yikes.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/01...since-newtown/

Careful. Posts like these are considered anti-American by some on this forum.

[Thor]

There is a great way for Americans to see how that feels for Canadians or any other nation, all you need to do is find a story about Canada for example on CNN and read the comments section.

Same goes for forums dominated by American posters, its just that stuff is the norm when you post on a forum from other countries.

[theg69]

I won't even venture into the debate but like most Canadians, I do find it hard to fathom the love obsession that Americans have with bearing personal arms but do appreciate the difficulty of changing a mindset that has been indoctrinated in them from the time they were born.

Secondary, I can't imagine an American venturing into this discussion without predicting or foreseeing the consequences. It's like an Oilers fan venturing into a Flames forum expecting not to be trolled.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by theg69

I won't even venture into the debate but like most Canadians, I do find it hard to fathom the love obsession that Americans have with bearing personal arms but do appreciate the difficulty of changing a mindset that has been indoctrinated in them from the time they were born.

Secondary, I can't imagine an American venturing into this discussion without predicting or foreseeing the consequences. It's like an Oilers fan venturing into a Flames forum expecting not to be trolled.

Personally, I can't see what's difficult about it. It's truly ######ed to not recognize guns do more harm than good down there.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Personally, I can't see what's difficult about it. It's truly ######ed to not recognize guns do more harm than good down there.

that's anti-second Amendment which is anti-American.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Personally, I can't see what's difficult about it. It's truly ######ed to not recognize guns do more harm than good down there.

What you fail to understand is it is only the fact that well armed god fearin' americans are on guard that has kept George the Thrid from returning, he's just out there waiting to get back in.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Personally, I can't see what's difficult about it. It's truly ######ed to not recognize guns do more harm than good down there.

[Plett25]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

Is the sad head shake because of the insensitive use of the word ######ed or because of the assertion that guns do more harm than good?

[Azure]

That argument can be used with a lot of stuff.

Alcohol does way more harm than good too.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Azure

That argument can be used with a lot of stuff.

Alcohol does way more harm than good too.

True. This is why there are liquor control boards, controls and background checks on the people who sell it, controls on drinking and driving. Hell, if you don't look 21, they can ask to see your ID, before they let you buy it.

There are lots of rules in place when it comes to booze. They even changed the Constitution, twice!, to deal with liquor control.

But the same rules don't apply to guns. That's the weird thing.

[Daradon]

^^^ Exactly right. You have to register your car, you have to follow very specific speed limits, rules, places you can use it etc. And it's a very important tool.

A gun, which is made for killing, has far less restrictions, almost none. And as soon as someone want to do a study on them, or appoint a leader to the ATF, everyone goes bonkers.

######ed is not an improper use of the word for the attitudes down there.

[missdpuck]

Just watched Murder by Proxy on Netflix , don't know if that movie was mentioned elsewhere. There's no debate about gun control in there, just discussion about various workplace massacres.It focused on the Royal Oak post office shooting and the attempts to get legislation passed regarding abuse in the workplace.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

True. This is why there are liquor control boards, controls and background checks on the people who sell it, controls on drinking and driving. Hell, if you don't look 21, they can ask to see your ID, before they let you buy it.

There are lots of rules in place when it comes to booze. They even changed the Constitution, twice!, to deal with liquor control.

But the same rules don't apply to guns. That's the weird thing.

And yet even with all those controls in place, roughly 15,000 people are killed each year in the US due to drinking and driving. According to Wikipedia, there were roughly 12,000 homicides with a gun in 2010.

You can add a bunch more deaths due to alcohol if you want to go down the health road.

I don't see anyone starting a thread talking about 'alcohol related deaths'...and yet according to the statistics, you are more likely to be killed by someone who has been drinking than you are to be killed by a 'gun.'

Of course, we all know banning alcohol isn't the solution, so we're stuck with the laws that we have now, and a strong focus on teaching kids to 'drink safely.' Hopefully.

Same thing can be said with guns. There are literally millions upon millions of gun owners in the US and Canada who are responsible about gun safety. Many of them have owned assault rifles for 'years.'

Just like there are millions of people who drink responsibly.

Which is exactly my point. There are a few people mucking all this up for those of us who are responsible.

And for the record, I agree for most of the measures President Obama proposed.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Azure

And yet even with all those controls in place, roughly 15,000 people are killed each year in the US due to drinking and driving. According to Wikipedia, there were roughly 12,000 homicides with a gun in 2010.

You can add a bunch more deaths due to alcohol if you want to go down the health road.

I don't see anyone starting a thread talking about 'alcohol related deaths'...and yet according to the statistics, you are more likely to be killed by someone who has been drinking than you are to be killed by a 'gun.'

Of course, we all know banning alcohol isn't the solution, so we're stuck with the laws that we have now, and a strong focus on teaching kids to 'drink safely.' Hopefully.

Same thing can be said with guns. There are literally millions upon millions of gun owners in the US and Canada who are responsible about gun safety. Many of them have owned assault rifles for 'years.'

Just like there are millions of people who drink responsibly.

Which is exactly my point. There are a few people mucking all this up for those of us who are responsible.

And for the record, I agree for most of the measures President Obama proposed.

I think the main difference between guns and alcohol are that anyone can make booze therefore an alcohol ban is impossible where as guns can be very effectively banned, I doubt anyone would argue that if we could magically get rid of alcohol it would be a good thing from a public health perspective.

[Azure]

Anyone can make beer. The rest is a bit more complicated.

And considering the US has a huge drug problem, I disagree that 'guns can be effectively' banned.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by Plett25

Is the sad head shake because of the insensitive use of the word ######ed or because of the assertion that guns do more harm than good?

What do you think.... It was the first one. There is no point of even giving my opinion on the other thing.. I have learned my lesson about doing that already.

[Daradon]

There have been many drunk driving and alcohol related threads in the past Azure. I'm sure even you can remember a few. Don't play that card, cause it ain't true.

EDIT: By 'that card', I simply mean that people (here or otherwise) don't talk and care about that issue. Cause yeah, it is brought up here.

Not dissing your whole alcohol argument in general. Though there are a few things I don't exactly agree with. This was just the most obvious one.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Yes, when the asshat makes buying a certain size soda illegal...

Maybe he sees unfixable deficits, with one of, if not the largest american health problem to be obesity. Possibly he sees that Americans are increasingly losing self control and becoming fatter and fatter.

I don't know, maybe not the best approach, but I haven't heard many better ideas for curbing how fat America is becomming.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

What do you think.... It was the first one. There is no point of even giving my opinion on the other thing.. I have learned my lesson about doing that already.

Really? Because I've seen the use of that word all over this forum since I got here in December and this is pretty much the first time I've seen you 'get upset' over it.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Really? Because I've seen the use of that word all over this forum since I got here in December and this is pretty much the first time I've seen you 'get upset' over it.

Are you stalking me and my CP posts? I used to get really upset about it before December .. sorry you werent around to see it. I have now also erased all proof of me being upset about it before december so you will never see it.