11-26-2012, 08:31 PM
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Her lead is widening now--she's at almost 38% with 75 reporting, and a lead of almost 400 votes. Locke had better hope that the polls left to be counted favour him by a fair margin.
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11-26-2012, 08:32 PM
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#582
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
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Originally Posted by Matty81
Ya because it's not like a reformer is a PC or a PC is a reformer. Vote splitting makes no difference right?
They might not all go to the one banner if they united but if you claim that if the Greens weren't in that race in Calgary tonight and Crockatt still wins, you're full of ####.
The PCs should actually fund the Green party next election.
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1) I dont see a Reform candidate in this election ( but believe me PC's and Reformers were very much different entities at one time...the reason reform party was born was because of the PC's)
2) I never claimed any such thing
3) Someone is awfully bitter.
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11-26-2012, 08:32 PM
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First Line Centre
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Crockatt 6.1% ahead with 80 polls reporting.
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11-26-2012, 08:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by frinkprof
Crockatt 6.1% ahead with 80 polls reporting.
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Yeah, Locke picked up about 90 votes there.
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11-26-2012, 08:34 PM
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#585
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Originally Posted by Makarov
Fair point, but the platforms of the Liberals, NDP, and Green are far more similar to each other than they are to the Conservatives. Its simplistic to look at it strictly in terms of left and right, and yet, it is difficult to deny that there is one party on the right, and three parties on the left (1calgarycentre is of course a reaction to this simple observation.)
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I dont disagree, but i also would add there is enough difference betaeween the 3 "left" parties that its fair to keep them completely seperate.
In fact i think its safe to say that as we move forward, there are 2 centrist parties (one leans left, one leans right) and then 2 wayyyy left parties. Just how it appears to be headed in my eyes.
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11-26-2012, 08:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by frinkprof
Crockatt 6.1% ahead with 80 polls reporting.
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5.1%
36.9-31.8 with 80 polls reporting.
Edit: 4.6% with 85 reporting.
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11-26-2012, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan
Yeah, Locke picked up about 90 votes there.
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God, this is like being a Flames fan. Its January, in 12th place, but allowing myself to hope again, only to have my heart inevitably broken.
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11-26-2012, 08:36 PM
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#588
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With 85 reporting, Locke is down 312 votes.
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11-26-2012, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan
Yeah, Locke picked up about 90 votes there.
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Just an observation/thought....but i do think it really will swing one way or the other depending on which polls are reporting. For instance, i have to believe that those polls in the Glenbrook/Glamaorgan areas will have bigger numbers for Crockett, while some of the other "younger" areas will have Lockes numbers in his favor.
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11-26-2012, 08:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
1) I dont see a Reform candidate in this election ( but believe me PC's and Reformers were very much different entities at one time...the reason reform party was born was because of the PC's)
2) I never claimed any such thing
3) Someone is awfully bitter.
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I don't really care who wins that riding, I just hate the Green party oh so much.
Don't really know the point of what you were saying there by differentiating the three progressive parties in this race... but vote split was the factor in this race.
Somehow it doesn't matter that the parties are all on the same side of the spectrum yet for years the PCs and Reforms split the vote enough that the Liberals held power and as soon as they got their crap together their fortunes turned around.
The left side of the spectrum in Canada is a herd of cats right now.
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11-26-2012, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Makarov
God, this is like being a Flames fan. Its January, in 12th place, but allowing myself to hope again, only to have my heart inevitably broken.
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The difference is that we have to keep being reminded that we lost for the next umpteen years while this nincompoop is our MP.
Oh well. It's not over, but it's going to take some big margins for Locke to overtake her.
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11-26-2012, 08:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
Just an observation/thought....but i do think it really will swing one way or the other depending on which polls are reporting. For instance, i have to believe that those polls in the Glenbrook/Glamaorgan areas will have bigger numbers for Crockett, while some of the other "younger" areas will have Lockes numbers in his favor.
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You are probably right. A poll-by-poll breakdown would be interesting, but I don't know where that information is available.
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11-26-2012, 08:38 PM
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Crockatt 4.5% ahead with 90 polls reporting.
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11-26-2012, 08:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
I dont disagree, but i also would add there is enough difference betaeween the 3 "left" parties that its fair to keep them completely seperate.
In fact i think its safe to say that as we move forward, there are 2 centrist parties (one leans left, one leans right) and then 2 wayyyy left parties. Just how it appears to be headed in my eyes.
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And to be clear, I don't want to see a two party system in Canada, but first-past-the-post seems to inevitably lead there. Give me proportional representation and real diversity in our political discourse. We will find agreement and consensus on the important things. [/side rant]
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11-26-2012, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Makarov
And to be clear, I don't want to see a two party system in Canada, but first-past-the-post seems to inevitably lead there. [/side rant]
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Huh?
145 years in and we've got 5 parties represented in parliament.
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11-26-2012, 08:40 PM
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Right now the Conservatives are leading in all three by-elections. Consider me surprised about Victoria.
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11-26-2012, 08:40 PM
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My only issue with the election canada page is that we don't know which polls have been reported. I'd like to know if the Higher Density polls are still to come, those would favour Locke/Turner over Crockatt.
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11-26-2012, 08:41 PM
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#598
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Makarov
And to be clear, I don't want to see a two party system in Canada, but first-past-the-post seems to inevitably lead there. Give me proportional representation and real diversity in our political discourse. We will find agreement and consensus on the important things. [/side rant]
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I'm a fan of the instant-runoff. I would happily have marked Turner #2 in this election, and that addresses most of the issue with vote-splitting.
It does have the drawback that sometimes the consensus second choice winds up being elected (see Ed Stelmach) but I think it has key advantages as well.
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11-26-2012, 08:41 PM
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#599
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5.1% lead for Crockatt now.
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11-26-2012, 08:41 PM
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Crockatt by 5.1% with 96 polls reporting.
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