FAN960 general purpose thread

[taco.vidal]

Booo-urns FAN960. Giving into pressure.

[Don Cherry]

Nothing worse then NFL fans trashing the CFL.

For the record I like both leagues.

The NFL elitism is lame.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by moon

That's not true.

Unless you only consider Toronto as "most white collar, wealthy, educated population" cities.

Vancouver and Toronto play to half empty buildings, if not more, every week. These are metropolis's of over 2 million people each.

Green Bay, however, a city of 105,000 manages to sell out every game and has approximately a 30 year waiting list for seasons tickets (but at the current rate of turnover it is something like a thousand years.)

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by pylon

This^^^
Couldn't have said it better myself.

You can debate which league has better rules until you are blue in the face. But once you attend an NFL game in person, (and I recommend sitting no more than 10 rows from the sideline to grasp it.) you will grasp how incredibly inferior both the game and athletes are up here.

Any league that has a 1 in 8 chance in winning a championship every year isn't a league, it is a division.

I will watch a CFL game if I don't have anything to do around the house. But once something more pressing comes up like cutting my toenails, or inspecting my cutlery for water spots....unfortunately it has to take a back seat.

I lived in Denver for almost 10 years. Went to at least 2 bronco games every year, including the two years they won the Super Bowl. I 100% disagree with you. The NFL is as commercial as it gets, and if there were not 70000 at those games, there would be nothing that made it better than a CFL game.

I lived down there for a long time and I cant stand wana be Americans since I came back.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Red John

Couldn't agree more.

The CFL is basically like ECHL hockey. It's a minor professional league, but media has put this idea out there that following it is such a "Canadian thing to do" just like drinking Tim Hortons coffee.

It's no surprise that the biggest cities in the country with the most white collar, wealthy, educated population are the ones that support the CFL the least. They tend to realize it's a marketing scheme and how truly awful the league is.

Seriously? A league with eight teams? One owner owns two different teams? Where referees basically are volunteers (and it shows)? And a GM can sabotage their own team on purpose?

What's hilarious is how people actually believe it's a better brand of football. Here's an idea: let's create a league with six teams, only two downs, a 120 yard field and 13 players on each side. We'll make it wider than its length. You get two points for missing field goals. And no running allowed, only passing and receivers get a 50-yard head start before the snap.

Would you watch that league? Didn't think so.

People need to remember it is only the CFL. It's a good example of why Americans just point and laugh at Canada sometimes. It isn't worth filling up the airwaves with, in which case this entire suspension controversy could have been avoided.

Don't hear people on the radio talking about the AHL or the WNBA or stuff like that often in Canada. Same should go for the Comedy Football League.

Attending a CFL game is great for taking the family out for a nice afternoon and having a barbecue. But it shouldn't be given major radio or media attention like the NHL, NFL, etc.

That's the real problem here.

Pretty sure the most well-attended CFL team resides in BC at the moment.

Secondly, do you think newspapers in Sweden don't cover Modo or other elite league teams because they aren't the NHL? Of course not, and they'd be foolish not to.

The CFL is what it is; minor pro football. That said, it's also a league with a hundred years of history behind it. So it's not exactly the ECHL. It's not even close, seeing as it's not the same game. But sure, let's just be exactly like America, because that's always interesting.

People who prefer the CFL would never say that the athletes involved are superior, but I suppose you're going to tell them they should find the NFL more enjoyable. Care to tell them how much sex is appropriate for requisite satisfaction while you're at it?

Third point, the Fan STRUGGLES under the best of circumstances to fill air time. But sure, let's not talk about a league that averages 300+ thousand per telecast because you don't think it's as good as the NFL. Never mind that 26,000+ in this city go out regularly to the games.

Seriously? A league with 8 teams, that's real bush. Not at all like the NHL... Oh wait. The league was actually made up of THREE teams in 1918. How dare they, they should've taken their pucks and gone home.

Americans point and laugh at Canada sometimes because they're #######s. Through the sterile wonderland of the internet, you smell like an #######. Here's an idea: let's have a message board where you never post anything. You're the problem, ass######.

[Red John]

Originally Posted by moon

That's not true.

Unless you only consider Toronto as "most white collar, wealthy, educated population" cities.

2012 average attendance:

Vancouver 30,356 (2.3 million population)
Calgary 28,665 (1.2 million population)
Montreal 22,457 (1.9 million population)
Toronto 23,690 (6.1 million population)


now look at

Regina 32,351 (200,000 population)
Winnipeg 27,981 (700,000 population)
Hamilton 25,724 (500,000 population)

Really the only exception to this theory is Edmonton 34,318 (800,000 population). And it's hard to refer to Edmonton as either a white-collar educated city or a backwater dump. They are sort of in the middle.

So yes, point still stands.

Source: http://stats.cfldb.ca/league/cfl/2012/attendance/

[RedMileDJ]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

I lived down there for a long time and I cant stand wana be Americans since I came back.

So supporting NFL over CFL makes you a "wana be American"?

While I can appreciate your support for the CFL, I don't understand that statement.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by pylon

Vancouver and Toronto play to half empty buildings, if not more, every week. These are metropolis's of over 2 million people each.

Green Bay, however, a city of 105,000 manages to sell out every game and has approximately a 30 year waiting list for seasons tickets (but at the current rate of turnover it is something like a thousand years.)

Vancouver's building holds 65,000 people dummy. And attendence in Toronto is clearly no measure of a sport's worth. If it were, the Blue Jays would've become a AA team by now.

Clearly the CFL, outside of the playoffs/Grey Cup, is not a 65,000/game sport. It's a 25-35 thousand a game sport, and it's completely fine being that.

Why would you assume that a league with 24 fewer teams and 300 million fewer people to draw from, would be on equal footing with the biggest sports league in the world?

[pylon]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

I lived in Denver for almost 10 years. Went to at least 2 bronco games every year, in cluding the two years they won the super bowl. I 100% disagree with you. The NFL is as commercial as it gets, and it there wre not 70000 at those games, there would be nothing that made it better than a CFL game.

I lived down there for a long time and I cant stand wana be Americans since I came back.

I would never want to be an American. I love Canada. And I still believe hockey is still the greatest game in the world. So I am a homer to that extent.

We just have a really bad, really pathetic football league that being compared to the NFL is like comparing a Kia Rio to Bentley Continental.

[moon]

Originally Posted by pylon

Vancouver and Toronto play to half empty buildings, if not more, every week. These are metropolis's of over 2 million people each.

Green Bay, however, a city of 105,000 manages to sell out every game and has approximately a 30 year waiting list for seasons tickets (but at the current rate of turnover it is something like a thousand years.)

BC had the third highest attendance in the league this past year and likely would have been there in 2011 if not for playing in a small stadium while renovations to their stadium were being made. Higher than such white, class educated cities of Hamilton and Winnipeg.

Calgary has been top 3 in attendance for a long time. Not sure if that qualifies as white collar or educated enough.

The only thing in terms of CFL attendance and cities that are linked is that the CFL is more popular in the West compared to the East.

Its great that GB gets a ton of fans to its game but the argument isn't if the NFL is more popular or not it is the stupid notion that "white collar, educated cities" in Canada don't support the CFL.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Fluffy Bunnies

I really wish the Fan would talk less (ie none)CFL and more NFL and (hell any) English Premier League.

The CFL is a gong show to put it mildly. All the reasons outlined above and their import rule that makes teams take in inferior Canadian "athletes" is stupid. Im also waiting for the day a team wins the Grey Cup on a missed field goal. The rouge rule is terrible and showcases the CFL for what it really is: a bush league.

If the CFL wants to be taken seriously, they need to switch over to American football rules and abolish domestic player quotas. I long for the what the CFL could be, but definitely not what it is now: laughable.

The rules are what make it unique. If it switches over to the American rules, then it's just the UFL in Canada. The UFL that just folded. Because Americans don't want to watch NFL-rules football if it's not the NFL.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Red John

2012 average attendance:

Vancouver 30,356 (2.3 million population)
Calgary 28,665 (1.2 million population)
Montreal 22,457 (1.9 million population)
Toronto 23,690 (6.1 million population)


now look at

Regina 32,351 (200,000 population)
Winnipeg 27,981 (700,000 population)
Hamilton 25,724 (500,000 population)

Really the only exception to this theory is Edmonton 34,318 (800,000 population). And it's hard to refer to Edmonton as either a white-collar educated city or a backwater dump. They are sort of in the middle.

So yes, point still stands.

Source: http://stats.cfldb.ca/league/cfl/2012/attendance/

How is Calgary and BC not exceptions since they beat out smaller, blue collar cities in Hamilton and Winnipeg?

[Red John]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Pretty sure the most well-attended CFL team resides in BC at the moment.

Wrong.

Secondly, do you think newspapers in Sweden don't cover Modo or other elite league teams because they aren't the NHL? Of course not, and they'd be foolish not to.

The CFL is what it is; minor pro football. That said, it's also a league with a hundred years of history behind it. So it's not exactly the ECHL. It's not even close, seeing as it's not the same game. But sure, let's just be exactly like America, because that's always interesting.

Never said people should watch the NFL. Didn't even talk about the NFL other than mentioning that they are a tier I professional league like NHL.

People who prefer the CFL would never say that the athletes involved are superior, but I suppose you're going to tell them they should find the NFL more enjoyable. Care to tell them how much sex is appropriate for requisite satisfaction while you're at it?

Third point, the Fan STRUGGLES under the best of circumstances to fill air time. But sure, let's not talk about a league that averages 300+ thousand per telecast because you don't think it's as good as the NFL. Never mind that 26,000+ in this city go out regularly to the games.

In a city of over 1 million people? 26,000? That isn't really impressive.

Seriously? A league with 8 teams, that's real bush. Not at all like the NHL... Oh wait. The league was actually made up of THREE teams in 1918. How dare they, they should've taken their pucks and gone home.

Why are we comparing to 1918? Should things be the exact same as they are then? The difference between NHL and CFL is one league has actually expanded and become a major professinal league. The other has gone nowhere since then.

Americans point and laugh at Canada sometimes because they're #######s. Through the sterile wonderland of the internet, you smell like an #######. Here's an idea: let's have a message board where you never post anything. You're the problem, ass######.

That's not very nice.

[Red John]

Originally Posted by moon

How is Calgary and BC not exceptions since they beat out smaller, blue collar cities in Hamilton and Winnipeg?

Attendance percentage to population. They didn't beat them out.



EDIT: It appears some folks are getting the wrong idea by the earlier post. Not making this into a "NFL vs CFL" debate. Haven't even talked about the NFL. So don't miss the point. This is not about how the NFL is better. This is just about how the CFL has to be the worst league to get the level of media attention that they do in Canada.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by pylon

I would never want to be an American. I love Canada. And I still believe hockey is still the greatest game in the world. So I am a homer to that extent.

We just have a really bad, really pathetic football league that being compared to the NFL is like comparing a Kia Rio to Bentley Continental.

Nobody who likes the CFL wants to spend any time comparing it to the NFL. We love it when guys like Cam Wake and Brandon Browner go down and make the pro bowl and end up on NFL Network's top 100 player lists.

You know who people who rag on the CFL for being 'inferior' are? They're the jocks in high school who were banging the captain of the cheerleading squad, ragging on a normal guy for dating a normal girl. Stop being dicks.

[Drake]

That took longer than I expected.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Red John

Attendance percentage to population. They didn't beat them out.

Who cares about percentage to population?

Calgary, BC, Edmonton clearly care and support their teams and outside of maybe Edmonton, hard to say that they aren't white collar, educated fans.

Again the thing that links cities to fans is West vs. East not some made up BS about white collar, education.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by pylon

I would never want to be an American. I love Canada. And I still believe hockey is still the greatest game in the world. So I am a homer to that extent.

We just have a really bad, really pathetic football league that being compared to the NFL is like comparing a Kia Rio to Bentley Continental.

Then you don't undersatnd football at all. And you seem to love the american media.

[pylon]

I will give the CFL props for one thing however. Their players truly play for the love of the game. How many pro leagues where every single game is televised, relies on it's athletes to work second jobs?

I have always admired that about the CFL, but on the other hand, it is really quite sad when you think about it, considering what 10 years of semi-pro football does to a mans body.

[Don Cherry]

Question to CFL bashers

What's the point of trashing the CFL?

Canadians like football and want to see it live. The CFL provides that.