Deerfoot Trail problems - Ideas, solutions?

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

Better transit for sure.

-7 car lrt's on existing legs - more people would use it if it wasn't so full all the time
-parkades at the end of each lrt leg - parking lots fill up too fast
-Se and north lrt - if people had the option, many would use it
-Fixing the intersection at anderson and beddington - these are two major bottlenecks at rush hour
-Completing the entire ring road
-Emergency towing on the deerfoot during rushhour - already in use
-Make rubbernecking illegal - if you're not going to pull over to help then keep moving

7 car lrt's are impossible.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by Iginla

I live in the inner city, and I still think Deerfoot is a mess. Sure, 95% of the time I'm going in the opposite direction of traffic, but for Calgary things need to get better.

Originally Posted by Iginla

I've got the ring road near 84 st SE by my house and have never used it once. That road is nice for Chestermere though so I'm glad we could at least help another community out.

Wait, 84th street is near the inner city?

Anyways, the ring road needs to get completed to ease traffic from the deep south on Deerfoot. from Douglasdale to glenmore is such a bottleneck both northbound and southbound, when the ring road is complete people will be able to go either west on 22x and up the ring road that way or east then north. Most people will still stay on Deerfoot but it should ease a bit.

The best long term solution however will be to get that SE LRT project started. There is no reasonable transit solutions for anyone in the deep south.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

Wait, 84th street is near the inner city?

Yes, unless you think the inner city is only the downtown area.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Iginla

This is exactly my point with the ring road. Most of the places where you have to get on the ring road is so out of the way that most people who would normally take Deerfoot or whatever wouldn't drive out of their way to use the ring road.

I've got the ring road near 84 st SE by my house and have never used it once. That road is nice for Chestermere though so I'm glad we could at least help another community out.

Ring roads are not built to make it easier to get around inside the ring. They're built to make it easier for people who want to get from one end of the city to the other without stopping. In turn, those people no longer need to drive through the middle of the ring, decreasing traffic volumes for those who do need to get around inside the ring.

Right now, a certain percentage of the traffic on Deerfoot is driving from the north end of the city to the south end (or vice versa) with no desire or intention of exiting Deerfoot. A high percentage of those vehicles are large trucks (and during the summer RVs) that slow down and clog up Deerfoot.

It is easier and cheaper to build Stoney Trail on undeveloped land on the edge of the city than it would be to add the same vehicle capacity to existing roads inside the city, and should have the same effect on traffic that adding more lanes to existing roads would have.

Stoney Trail won't directly make it easier to drive from Douglasdale to downtown. What Stoney Trail will do (when it's fully open on the east side) is make it possible for people to get from the south end of Calgary to the north end of Calgary without driving on Deerfoot. By transferring those vehicles off of Deerfoot, the volume of traffic on Deerfoot will decrease, bringing it closer to what it was designed to handle.

[TurnedTheCorner]

The city needs all of the proposed solutions ITT. Deerfoot needs improvements, desperately. Transit service in the SE needs to be improved. LRT lines need to be built. The ring road needs to be completed. Not a single one of these proposals is a "silver bullet" strictly on its own.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Iginla

Yes, unless you think the inner city is only the downtown area.

Well, no, the downtown is certainly not just the inner city. But it's certainly not... the edges of the city.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by Iginla

Yes, unless you think the inner city is only the downtown area.

Inner city is definitely bounded by deerfoot to the east, glenmore to the south, and Sarcee to the west. The north is a little more ambiguous, but I would say Anything north of U of C and confederation park is out of the inner city. 84th street is way out of the inner city.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

Inner city is definitely bounded by deerfoot to the east, glenmore to the south, and Sarcee to the west. The north is a little more ambiguous, but I would say Anything north of U of C and confederation park is out of the inner city. 84th street is way out of the inner city.

I've always thought of inner-Calgary as being Crowchild to the West, 16th ave to the North, 17th ave to the south and Deerfoot to the East.

Obviously not perfect though I'd imagine.

[MarchHare]

I'm not sure how the government defines the inner city, but I use a practical definition: if a given location is not within a reasonable (~30 minutes) walk from the downtown core, then it's not part of the inner city.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

Inner city is definitely bounded by deerfoot to the east, glenmore to the south, and Sarcee to the west. The north is a little more ambiguous, but I would say Anything north of U of C and confederation park is out of the inner city. 84th street is way out of the inner city.

you sure include more south than you do north

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I've always thought of inner-Calgary as being Crowchild to the West, 16th ave to the North, 17th ave to the south and Deerfoot to the East.

Obviously not perfect though I'd imagine.

If you put the southern boundary at 17th Avenue, then you exclude Mission, Cliff Bungalow, Lower Mount Royal, and Bankview, all communities that any reasonable person would consider part of the inner city.

[TurnedTheCorner]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

Inner city is definitely bounded by deerfoot to the east, glenmore to the south, and Sarcee to the west. The north is a little more ambiguous, but I would say Anything north of U of C and confederation park is out of the inner city. 84th street is way out of the inner city.

U of C and confederation are both a lot closer in than your other boundaries. Of course, Nose Hill park messes things up because a good chunk of it is close in.

I would say if Sarcee W is inner city, than Barlow is the boundary in the E and John Laurie/McKnight (between Brisebois and Barlow) is the the boundary in the N. Otherwise you need to draw in that W boundary from Sarcee to about 45th and Shaganappi.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

If you put the southern boundary at 17th Avenue, then you exclude Mission, Cliff Bungalow, Lower Mount Royal, and Bankview, all communities that any reasonable person would consider part of the inner city.

Well I'm not a reasonable person!!! eff you! Yeah, I didn't say it was perfect. I'll just go with puckluck's approach and say Spruce Meadows trail.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

If you put the southern boundary at 17th Avenue, then you exclude Mission, Cliff Bungalow, Lower Mount Royal, and Bankview, all communities that any reasonable person would consider part of the inner city.

That's why I said glenmore, because you can include those communities, as well as altadore and garrison woods. Obviously Glenmore is pretty far south but it gives a good boundary point from newer suburbs to the "suburbs" of the 1940s and 50s.

[TurnedTheCorner]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Well I'm not a reasonable person!!! eff you! Yeah, I didn't say it was perfect. I'll just go with puckluck's approach and say Spruce Meadows trail.

If it's inside the city limits, it's inner city? Rite? Rite??

[TurnedTheCorner]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I've always thought of inner-Calgary as being Crowchild to the West, 16th ave to the North, 17th ave to the south and Deerfoot to the East.

Obviously not perfect though I'd imagine.

Go south to 25th/26th Ave and you've got a winner.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

U of C and confederation are both a lot closer in than your other boundaries. Of course, Nose Hill park messes things up because a good chunk of it is close in.

I would say if Sarcee W is inner city, than Barlow is the boundary in the E and John Laurie/McKnight (between Brisebois and Barlow) is the the boundary in the N. Otherwise you need to draw in that W boundary from Sarcee to about 45th and Shaganappi.

I'm not as familiar to the communities in the north end of the city so that was just from my assumptions from a kid who has lived in the south end of the city his whole life.

Anyways, again I put sarcee for the same reason as I put glenmore, it's a good boundary point from older neighbourhoods to newer ones. Crowchild actually is probably a better boundary point in the west though now that I think of it more.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

That's why I said glenmore, because you can include those communities, as well as altadore and garrison woods. Obviously Glenmore is pretty far south but it gives a good boundary point from newer suburbs to the "suburbs" of the 1940s and 50s.

I don't know, Glenmore seems awfully far south to me to count as "inner city". I get what you're saying about a delineation point between older neighbourhoods and newer suburban developments, though.

I'll re-iterate my practical example: if an area is within a 30-minute walk from the core, then it's inner city. If it's not, then it's not.

[TurnedTheCorner]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

I don't know, Glenmore seems awfully far south to me to count as "inner city". I get what you're saying about a delineation point between older neighbourhoods and newer suburban developments, though.

I'll re-iterate my practical example: if an area is within a 30-minute walk from the core, then it's inner city. If it's not, then it's not.

Who's walking? Me or Vladimir Kanaykin? Which king's feet are we using to measure?

[Rerun]

I've come to the conclusion that Deerfoot Tr is beyond repair.

I'm just hoping that a lot of the traffic flow will divert to Stoney Tr, once its finished.