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troutman · 10-17-2012, 08:57 AM

Soon Lance will do the tearful mea culpa, and pledge his service to fight cancer and fight against doping in sports. He can rehabilitate his reputation.

iggyformayor · 10-17-2012, 09:05 AM

I'm curious of what you guys think about Livestrong. I don't know if you have bought it in the past or if it has effected your purchases at all, but would you be more or less likely to buy Livestrong product after this? Yes, this foundation is obviously tied closely to Lance, but regardless it has and continues to raise an incredible amount of money for people fighting cancer.

troutman · 10-17-2012, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by iggyformayor

I'm curious of what you guys think about Livestrong. I don't know if you have bought it in the past or if it has effected your purchases at all, but would you be more or less likely to buy Livestrong product after this? Yes, this foundation is obviously tied closely to Lance, but regardless it has and continues to raise an incredible amount of money for people fighting cancer.

There is a link to an Outside article in this thread that argues very little goes from Livestrong to cancer research, and most of the resources go towards promoting the brand.

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor....html?page=all

But the foundation’s financial reports from 2009 and 2010 show that Livestrong’s resources pay for a very large amount of marketing and PR. During those years, the foundation raised $84 million and spent just over $60 million. (The rest went into a reserve of cash and assets that now tops $100 million.)

Nobody can doubt Armstrong’s empathy for cancer patients or his power to inspire. In certain instances, though, he has leveraged this charitable appeal for personal gain. During his comeback, the lines between Cancer Lance and Business Lance became especially blurry.

Northendzone · 10-17-2012, 09:18 AM

i guess to some extent the Livestrong brand is now somewhat tainted; however it can likley be rehabbed. it does seem to stand for a positive message.

the clothing has always been top notch; however, I am not sure that anyone will want to pay full price for it anymore.

I am assuming that Nike will stop selling it and Livestrong will have to go and set-up production on thier own.

For the record, I have a hoodie, a sweatshirt and a t-shirt........so I was in for about $130........

oldschoolcalgary · 10-17-2012, 09:30 AM

well, the Livestrong Foundation has done good for cancer reasearch (though the post on how much they actually give back is somewhat alarming)...

Hopefully, it doesn't cause any blowback

iggyformayor · 10-17-2012, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Northendzone

i guess to some extent the Livestrong brand is now somewhat tainted; however it can likley be rehabbed. it does seem to stand for a positive message.

the clothing has always been top notch; however, I am not sure that anyone will want to pay full price for it anymore.

I am assuming that Nike will stop selling it and Livestrong will have to go and set-up production on thier own.

For the record, I have a hoodie, a sweatshirt and a t-shirt........so I was in for about $130........

From what I've heard Nike will continue to support Livestrong, as they feel the foundation still does good work and they don't want them to feel the blowback because of Lance.

They have tried to tie other athletes in with Livestrong over the last couple of years, ie PK Subban, but regardless Lance Armstrong was still the face of it all.

bossy22 · 10-17-2012, 09:45 AM

From what I understand is that they go along way to help families. I have a friend in Colorado whose wife passed and livestrong paid for travel, counselling for the kids etc. it was top notch.

speede5 · 10-17-2012, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by iggyformayor

I'm curious of what you guys think about Livestrong. I don't know if you have bought it in the past or if it has effected your purchases at all, but would you be more or less likely to buy Livestrong product after this? Yes, this foundation is obviously tied closely to Lance, but regardless it has and continues to raise an incredible amount of money for people fighting cancer.

I have actually passed on products which resemble the Livestrong brand. This 'charity' is more about promoting Lance than it is cancer. It's an image, more than anything. At least that's my humble opinion. I hope it's doing good for someone out there. Any charity that can have that kind of exposure on a brand like Nike has to be spending a fortune in marketing, and that's all money that was 'donated'.

transplant99 · 10-17-2012, 09:54 AM

The fall from grace for Armstrong once all is said and done may end up being like nothing ever seen before as far as athletes or celebrities, and there have been some precipitious ones.

Its like a Tsunami wave right now.

speede5 · 10-17-2012, 09:55 AM

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I will add this as a corollary, why bother cleaning up cycling?

I have a good friend and all three of his sons are big into cycling. Very successful at the amatuer level. It would be terrible if the only way they could thrive in the sport past highschool is to start doping. It's bad enough that they have to maintain strict diets and training regimes, but that's what it takes in most sports to excel. Now we would have them start a drug regime as well?

Sounds like something out of a future movie, where atheletes are bred for our entertainment.

chemgear · 10-17-2012, 10:02 AM

Is there any legitimate sports writers/articles actually taking the other side here?

Just curious and wouldn't mind seeing the logic of the other side perhaps. I know there was certainly the odd strong dismissive forum posts at the start of this ("misunderstood hearsay, nothing concrete, not real evidence," etc.)

transplant99 · 10-17-2012, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by troutman

Soon Lance will do the tearful mea culpa, and pledge his service to fight cancer and fight against doping in sports. He can rehabilitate his reputation.

Im not so sure about that any more.

The cheating was one thing and certainly was repairable...but the decade long stoic denying, and in turn outright lieing, is something i doubt is easily reconcilable for most. He took a stand and miscalculated.

troutman · 10-17-2012, 10:20 AM

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Im not so sure about that any more.

The cheating was one thing and certainly was repairable...but the decade long stoic denying, and in turn outright lieing, is something i doubt is easily reconcilable for most. He took a stand and miscalculated.

People are forgiving. If he apologizes, and re-dedicates himself to public service, he has the power to still do a lot of good. He has to make amends with many people.

It is also possible he is a sociopath, and incapable of remorse.

Northendzone · 10-17-2012, 10:33 AM

hasn't lance always said something to the effect of "i has never failed a drug test" - this could still be a true statement.......

i suppose this could rank as the most epic fall from grace ever, so it will be interesting to see how forgiving the public is.

Nandric · 10-17-2012, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by troutman

People are forgiving. If he apologizes, and re-dedicates himself to public service, he has the power to still do a lot of good. He has to make amends with many people.

It is also possible he is a sociopath, and incapable of reform.

I feel Lance has to much of an ego to make amends, personally I think he falls squarely into the sociopath column.

habernac · 10-17-2012, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by troutman

People are forgiving. If he apologizes, and re-dedicates himself to public service, he has the power to still do a lot of good. He has to make amends with many people.

It is also possible he is a sociopath, and incapable of reform.

His biggest issue is all of the people he's bullied in the last decade. He'd have to make some pretty spectacular apologies to all of them. He ruined careers, made people quit.

speede5 · 10-17-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by troutman

It is also possible he is a sociopath, and incapable of reform.

Wouldn't narcisist be a better tag?

Bill Bumface · 10-17-2012, 11:46 AM

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well, the Livestrong Foundation has done good for cancer reasearch

They contribute exactly $0 to research.

By far the bulk of their work is "awareness", or, giant posters of Lance wearing Nike gear.....

The family assistance stuff is legit, I just find it sad how it takes a backseat to "awareness".

Bertuzzied · 10-17-2012, 12:20 PM

Great news! with this and Carl Lewis being outted in the ESPN 30 for 30 documentary i'm super happy.

East Coast Flame · 10-17-2012, 02:53 PM

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They contribute exactly $0 to research.

By far the bulk of their work is "awareness", or, giant posters of Lance wearing Nike gear.....

The family assistance stuff is legit, I just find it sad how it takes a backseat to "awareness".

You have no idea what you're talking about. The Lance Armstrong Foundation is a 4 star rated charity on charity navigator. One of the highest rated charities in the United States.

http://www.charitynavigator.org/inde...ary&orgid=6570