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Old 09-29-2012, 03:29 PM   #21
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Truthfully I haven't followed this whole saga too closely because I get bored of it pretty fast. Wasn't the charge that he threw a grenade and killed a medic in a firefight? That seems just ridiculous quite frankly. Its a war zone and a kid threw a grenade and killed someone...seems appropriate in the circumstances, no?

I know, I'll be labeled a bleeding heart and all that, but if that's the actual charge he should at least have a fair trial and go from there. As it stands it looks like a farce to me. Sure, his father and family have supported some terrible things, and maybe he did as well. We still have due process though and it applies whether we like the guy or not.
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Old 09-29-2012, 03:30 PM   #23
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I believe we should amend our laws to provide that new Canadians, who indulge in activities that threaten the security of our country, will lose their Canadian citizenship and must be deported forthwith.
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How would this new law effect Khadr? He was born in Canada.

Where would he be deported? Just because someone looks brown doesn't mean they weren't born in Canada. Your comment would fit right in the Calgary Sun Comment section.
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It would not affect Canadian citizens born in Canada, and therefore would not affect Omar. However it may have helped to discourage members of his family from participating in activities that threaten the security of Canada, and involving Omar in those activities.

I could see the person being deported back to his original place of citizenship.

Looking brown has nothing do with what we are talking about.
Phew, just barely backpeddled your way out of that one, eh flamesfever?
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:31 PM   #24
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He is obviously scum in the fullest extent of the word - but he is our scum and we have to respect the rule of the law. That being said I don't think many people would deny that someone who builds IEDs designed on killing as many people as possible, often times civilians is not really the type of person who you would want to live next door to. I fully anticipate he will be sucking on the public tit for the next 50+ years with welfare and social assistance, all the while ranting about how awful the west is.
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Anybody else smell a reality show coming out of this... Keeping Up With the Khadr's.
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Truthfully I haven't followed this whole saga too closely because I get bored of it pretty fast. Wasn't the charge that he threw a grenade and killed a medic in a firefight? That seems just ridiculous quite frankly. Its a war zone and a kid threw a grenade and killed someone...seems appropriate in the circumstances, no?

I know, I'll be labeled a bleeding heart and all that, but if that's the actual charge he should at least have a fair trial and go from there. As it stands it looks like a farce to me. Sure, his father and family have supported some terrible things, and maybe he did as well. We still have due process though and it applies whether we like the guy or not.

Sounds like treason to me .... He left his country of birth, enlisted with our nations enemies and killed one of our allies.
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Further I though child soldiers are victims?
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Sounds like treason to me .... He left his country of birth, enlisted with our nations enemies and killed one of our allies.
He was a freakin child soldier, that makes him the victim
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He was a freakin child soldier, that makes him the victim
He wilfully and cheerfully planted bombs designed to kill as many people as possible. He fought against Canada and has made no apologies about the fact. He is a victim in a number of ways - but at some point in time you have to ask yourself - what should we do with someone who is still obviously a threat to national security? You can't coddle the hate out of someone when it has been bred into someone for their entire life by a crazy ass family.
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He was a freakin child soldier, that makes him the victim

A 15 year old teenager taught to hate and trained kill.
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A 15 year old teenager taught to hate and trained kill.
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Further I though child soldiers are victims?
I'm with you on this one.

I swear it's like some people have never met a 15 year old before. They're all terrorists.

Okay, maybe not, but they're a long way from being adults and thinking like them. And given the circumstances Khadr was put into, how on earth could he have extracted himself from them? Hardly fair to judge him like he was some 40 year old yuppie who made well-thought-through decision to join a terrorist group and blow people up.

He never had much of a chance to be anything else than what he is as far as I can tell.
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How would this new law effect Khadr? He was born in Canada.

Where would he be deported? Just because someone looks brown doesn't mean they weren't born in Canada. Your comment would fit right in the Calgary Sun Comment section.
His family, could be deported... or at least those that immigrated here. I would have absolutely no problem whatsoever giving that family the boot.
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Khadr requires ‘substantial management’ to re-integrate: Toews

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In a three-page decision that allowed for Khadr’s transfer, Toews outlined five areas of concern that remain in the case.

Chief among them is the fact that Khadr will require “substantial management” to re-integrate due to the fact that he’s been away from Canada for so long, said Toews.

The safety minister also said that Khadr still holds his late father -– alleged al Qaeda financier Ahmed Said Khadr -- in high regard. The Khadr family patriarch was an Egyptian-born Canadian killed by Pakistani security forces in 2003.

And in an apparent reference to comments they made during a pair of 2004 television interviews, Toews said Khadr’s mother and older sister also remain a concern, as they have “openly applauded his crimes and terrorist activities.”
Keeping up with the Khadrs: A family tree

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With his return to Canada, convicted war criminal Omar Khadr is nearing the end of a long saga that began when he was just 15 years old.
But his journey only accounts for one chapter in the story of the Khadr family.

After more than a decade dominating headlines in Canada for their alleged terrorist connections and ongoing legal battles, here are their stories:
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Just a refresher on the facts...


Khadr case: Timeline of key events


1977-- Khadr family emigrates from Egypt, settles in southern Ontario

1985 -- Patriarch Ahmen Said Khadr moves to Pakistan at the height of the Soviet war in Afghanistan, meets Osama bin Laden.

Sept. 19 1986-- Omar Khadr is born in Ontario.

1986-- The Khadr family moves back to Pakistan, where the Ahmed Said Khadr works for an organization financed partly by the Canadian International Development Agency

1992-- Ahmed Said Khadr returns to Toronto after his leg is injured in an explosion

1995-- Ahmed Said Khadr is arrested for his alleged role in the bombing of the Egyptian embassy in Islamabad. He is later released after Jean Chretien intervenes on his behalf.

1996-- Family returns to Canada, but Ahmed Said Khadr leaves again for Pakistan, forming his own humanitarian relief group. The family moves to Jalabad in Taliban-controlled eastern Afghanistan, where they live in Osama bin Laden’s camp.

1996– Omar and his brothers are taken to meet Al Qaeda leaders for training at the age of 10. The family makes annual trips to Canada to raise money and collect supplies.

1999-- Khadr family moves to Kabul, where Taliban have taken control after a long civil war.

Nov. 2001-- The U.S.-backed Northern Alliance rebels chase the Taliban out of Kabul. Omar Khadr flees to his father's orphanage in Logar, Afghanistan.

June 2002 -- After training on AK-47s, Soviet PKs and rocket-propelled grenades, Khadr, 15, works as a translator for alQaeda and conducts a surveillance mission.

Oct. 2001-- Ahmed Said Khadr is named on a list of suspected terrorists wanted by the FBI

July 2002-- According to statements of fact later read at his trial, Omar Khadr, now 15, threw a Russian-made F1 grenade from behind the wall of a compound in Afghanistan. The grenade killed U.S. Army Sgt. 1st Class Christopher Speer. Omar Khadr is captured by the U.S. military after its forces bombed the compound. A firefight led to the death of a U.S. soldier and Omar being severely wounded. He lost sight in one eye. First detained at Bagram Air Base.

Oct. 2002-- At age of 16, Khadr is transferred to Guantanamo Bay. Later, lawyers will argue that Khadr was not afforded special safeguards and care, including legal protections appropriate to the age of "child soldiers."

Oct. 2003-- Omar’s father is killed by Pakistani forces.

Feb. 2003-- CSIS officials first interrogate the young Khadr. According to legal documents, he was not provided access to legal counsel until November 2004.

Nov. 2003-- Abdurahman Khadr, Omar Khadr’s younger brother, returns to Toronto after being released from Guantanamo Bay in July. He tells media he travelled and cooperated with U.S. intelligence services in the months between his release and return to Canada.

March 2004 -- Khadr's grandmother, Fatmah Elsamnah, launches lawsuit against the Department of Foreign Affairs, alleging Ottawa failed to protect her grandson's rights as a Canadian. Elsamnah later launches a similar suit against U.S. authorities.

Sept. 2004-- Khadr deemed "enemy combatant” by Combat Status Review Tribunal.

Aug. 2005 -- A Federal Court judge says Canadian agencies, including CSIS, are violating Khadr's Charter rights by turning information gleaned in interviews over to U.S. investigators.

Nov. 2005-- After an Executive Order establishing military commissions, the U.S. government charged Omar with murder, attempted murder, conspiracy, and aiding the enemy.

Dec. 2005 -- Khadr's eldest brother, Abdullah, is arrested in Toronto for allegedly acting as an al Qaeda go-between and supplying explosives.

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Just a refresher on the facts...


Khadr case: Timeline of key events


1977-- Khadr family emigrates from Egypt, settles in southern Ontario

1985 -- Patriarch Ahmen Said Khadr moves to Pakistan at the height of the Soviet war in Afghanistan, meets Osama bin Laden.

Sept. 19 1986-- Omar Khadr is born in Ontario.

1986-- The Khadr family moves back to Pakistan, where the Ahmed Said Khadr works for an organization financed partly by the Canadian International Development Agency

1992-- Ahmed Said Khadr returns to Toronto after his leg is injured in an explosion

1995-- Ahmed Said Khadr is arrested for his alleged role in the bombing of the Egyptian embassy in Islamabad. He is later released after Jean Chretien intervenes on his behalf.

1996-- Family returns to Canada, but Ahmed Said Khadr leaves again for Pakistan, forming his own humanitarian relief group. The family moves to Jalabad in Taliban-controlled eastern Afghanistan, where they live in Osama bin Laden’s camp.

1996– Omar and his brothers are taken to meet Al Qaeda leaders for training at the age of 10. The family makes annual trips to Canada to raise money and collect supplies.

1999-- Khadr family moves to Kabul, where Taliban have taken control after a long civil war.

Nov. 2001-- The U.S.-backed Northern Alliance rebels chase the Taliban out of Kabul. Omar Khadr flees to his father's orphanage in Logar, Afghanistan.

June 2002 -- After training on AK-47s, Soviet PKs and rocket-propelled grenades, Khadr, 15, works as a translator for alQaeda and conducts a surveillance mission.

Oct. 2001-- Ahmed Said Khadr is named on a list of suspected terrorists wanted by the FBI

July 2002-- According to statements of fact later read at his trial, Omar Khadr, now 15, threw a Russian-made F1 grenade from behind the wall of a compound in Afghanistan. The grenade killed U.S. Army Sgt. 1st Class Christopher Speer. Omar Khadr is captured by the U.S. military after its forces bombed the compound. A firefight led to the death of a U.S. soldier and Omar being severely wounded. He lost sight in one eye. First detained at Bagram Air Base.

Oct. 2002-- At age of 16, Khadr is transferred to Guantanamo Bay. Later, lawyers will argue that Khadr was not afforded special safeguards and care, including legal protections appropriate to the age of "child soldiers."

Oct. 2003-- Omar’s father is killed by Pakistani forces.

Feb. 2003-- CSIS officials first interrogate the young Khadr. According to legal documents, he was not provided access to legal counsel until November 2004.

Nov. 2003-- Abdurahman Khadr, Omar Khadr’s younger brother, returns to Toronto after being released from Guantanamo Bay in July. He tells media he travelled and cooperated with U.S. intelligence services in the months between his release and return to Canada.

March 2004 -- Khadr's grandmother, Fatmah Elsamnah, launches lawsuit against the Department of Foreign Affairs, alleging Ottawa failed to protect her grandson's rights as a Canadian. Elsamnah later launches a similar suit against U.S. authorities.

Sept. 2004-- Khadr deemed "enemy combatant” by Combat Status Review Tribunal.

Aug. 2005 -- A Federal Court judge says Canadian agencies, including CSIS, are violating Khadr's Charter rights by turning information gleaned in interviews over to U.S. investigators.

Nov. 2005-- After an Executive Order establishing military commissions, the U.S. government charged Omar with murder, attempted murder, conspiracy, and aiding the enemy.

Dec. 2005 -- Khadr's eldest brother, Abdullah, is arrested in Toronto for allegedly acting as an al Qaeda go-between and supplying explosives.

So you're saying Omar Kadhr is Jean Chretien's fault . . .

I can get on board with that.
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The majority of posters here will have no idea what this is. Me personally, I loved that show and props to Reggie for initially quoting the theme song.
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The majority of posters here will have no idea what this is. Me personally, I loved that show and props to Reggie for initially quoting the theme song.
yeah the pic is after the first joke, too late
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I don't understand, he was a freaking child!
Young terrorist children these days.

They blow up so fast.
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