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valo403 · 09-12-2012, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OilKiller

Maybe we should start.

Yeah we'd be much better off being more like China, Libya etc. That's a great idea.

OilKiller · 09-12-2012, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Yeah we'd be much better off being more like China, Libya etc. That's a great idea.

Point being, some poor guy is dead because these idiots decided to beat him to death for no apparent reason and they'll be out of prison in a few years, while he's now gone and his family mourns him. Something is wrong with this picture.

4X4 · 09-12-2012, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

No there's more, but I'm thinking of South American residents specifically. That is a very niche group, I know.

For some reason it really hits me in the gut when immigrants or foreign residents are caught in the crossfire and/or are victims of crime while being here.

I agree. In fact, I was also thinking of the Brazilian guy when I heard about this. It just seems almost worse when people come here from places that are more renowned for violence, and then end up getting shot in the face or sh*tkicked to death.

calumniate · 09-12-2012, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I think that would be pretty tough, learning how to live being blind after being able to see your whole life.

Yeah I don't mean to derail this thread, but the guy had an inkling for music which helped, his girlfriend stayed by is side, and amazingly he didn't have much anger towards the gunman and chose to stay in Calgary. Really interesting. I would have a hard time myself in that kind of situation.

Stampede2TheCup · 09-12-2012, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bunk

The block on 14th ave between 4th and 2nd is still pretty sketch, but not nearly as bad as 5 years ago.

This was west of 4th, which is a safer area generally (not reallly unsafe at all)

I agree on both parts. I always wonder ponder the existence of those two payphones on 4th and 2nd. Do the crackwhores actually make them profitable? Are there two so they don't go violent on the storekeeper if one is broken? If they got rid of the payphones would it help decrease the sketchiness there? I mean I see them being used by lots of different people so it must add to the draw of the location.

About the murder, eek, I walk right there down 14th and 15th west of 4th all the time at night to avoid having to wade through the drunks at National and the Ship and Anchor and I agree it doesn't seem unsafe as far as inner city areas go. Coincidentally I stopped using 6th street to cut across there to 17th Ave at night mostly because there's at least one really rowdy party house in that two blocks there. These guys are a block away from the murder so in all likelihood it's probably not them but I'm pretty sure the place was brimming with effed up (hard-partying) young'ns even on a couple weeknights so I just thought avoiding that one spot was prudent.

Ozy_Flame · 09-12-2012, 09:14 PM

^^^ On a similar note, is Victoria Park generally free of its' crime-ridden past? Or is it still lingering today? I know plenty of new developments in the last 15 years have really cleaned it up somewhat, but when I walk through it to Flames games or the Stampede Grounds, it still has that "keep your hand on your wallet" feel . . .

Stampede2TheCup · 09-12-2012, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

^^^ On a similar note, is Victoria Park generally free of its' crime-ridden past? Or is it still lingering today? I know plenty of new developments in the last 15 years have really cleaned it up somewhat, but when I walk through it to Flames games or the Stampede Grounds, it still has that "keep your hand on your wallet" feel . . .

edit: Sorry misread at first, I'm not too sure about Victoria Park as a whole but it does seem vaguely at least somewhat better to me.

calumniate · 09-12-2012, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by blah blah

I agree on both parts. I always wonder ponder the existence of those two payphones on 4th and 2nd. Do the crackwhores actually make them profitable? Are there two so they don't go violent on the storekeeper if one is broken? If they got rid of the payphones would it help decrease the sketchiness there? I mean I see them being used by lots of different people so it must add to the draw of the location.

About the murder, eek, I walk right there down 14th and 15th west of 4th all the time at night to avoid having to wade through the drunks at National and the Ship and Anchor and I agree it doesn't seem unsafe as far as inner city areas go. Coincidentally I stopped using 6th street to cut across there to 17th Ave at night mostly because there's at least one really rowdy party house in that two blocks there. These guys are a block away from the murder so in all likelihood it's probably not them but I'm pretty sure the place was brimming with effed up (hard-partying) young'ns even on a couple weeknights so I just thought avoiding that one spot was prudent.

Haha, those guys are just hippies / musicians. I can assure you they don't approve of what happened.

chemgear · 09-12-2012, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

^^^ On a similar note, is Victoria Park generally free of its' crime-ridden past? Or is it still lingering today? I know plenty of new developments in the last 15 years have really cleaned it up somewhat, but when I walk through it to Flames games or the Stampede Grounds, it still has that "keep your hand on your wallet" feel . . .

Relatively speaking back to 2000ish - not sure. "Free" of crime? I would suggest that is certainly not the case:

http://crimemap.calgarypolice.ca/con...aimerPage.aspx

A good number of assaults and thefts, thefts from vehicles, and vandalism - also unfortunately the odd sex assault as well.

Wormius · 09-12-2012, 11:28 PM

^^ I can attest to 2002 being a bad year. I don't know if crime stats show it, but 14th Ave between 4th and 2nd was pretty awful. Now the area looks really nice - at least in the daytime.

Stampede2TheCup · 09-13-2012, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by calumniate

Haha, those guys are just hippies / musicians. I can assure you they don't approve of what happened.

The hippies are in the house with the long stairs in front, no? I wasn't worried about them. It's the beige or grey house across the street. They're not total bad-asses or anything, just seemed to be a non-zero chance of something happening with a drunken buffoon. I did walk right through a big group of them out on the sidewalk once. I just figured it's not out of my way to avoid so why not be on the safe side.

Aeneas · 09-13-2012, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by blah blah

edit: Sorry misread at first, I'm not too sure about Victoria Park as a whole but it does seem vaguely at least somewhat better to me.

Those five words are crazy! So is it better or not? Not being rude (intentionally) I just couldn't help reading that part of the sentence several times.

Table 5 · 09-13-2012, 08:10 AM

I've been living in the Beltline for about a year now, and so far, the worst thing I've been assaulted by is hail.

valo403 · 09-13-2012, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by OilKiller

Point being, some poor guy is dead because these idiots decided to beat him to death for no apparent reason and they'll be out of prison in a few years, while he's now gone and his family mourns him. Something is wrong with this picture.

Yeah plenty is wrong with it, including your claim that they'll be out in a few years, but instituting the death penalty has been shown to have no ability to rectify the issues.

Ozy_Flame · 09-13-2012, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Yeah plenty is wrong with it, including your claim that they'll be out in a few years, but instituting the death penalty has been shown to have no ability to rectify the issues.

What's your evidence that they wouldn't get paroled early after a few years? It's happened before and it will happen again. Canada is relatively more lax on their punishments than the U.S.

A recent case in Calgary saw a Chinese national get released from prison on murder charges after a year and a half. He violently killed his wife.

valo403 · 09-13-2012, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

What's your evidence that they wouldn't get paroled early after a few years? It's happened before and it will happen again. Canada is relatively more lax on their punishments than the U.S.

A recent case in Calgary saw a Chinese national get released from prison on murder charges after a year and a half. He violently killed his wife.

My evidence would be the Criminal Code and federal sentencing mandates:

http://www.pbc-clcc.gc.ca/rprts/pls_2002-eng.shtml#3

Note 6 of that piece is particularly strong at dispelling this myth that convicted murders are released in 2 years.

I have no idea what case you are referring to, but I suspect that he was not convicted of murder.

Ozy_Flame · 09-13-2012, 11:06 AM

^^ My bad, the case was manslaughter.

http://www.canada.com/news/calgary/P...011/story.html

Edit: There are still cases of parolees being let out before the law indicates. In the Reena Virk case in 1998, a second-degree conviction was handed down in 1999, but one of them was on day parole in 2007, which is less than the 10-year minimum for second degree murder.

I think there are cases where exceptions are made in Canada, but for the most part, they do follow law.

valo403 · 09-13-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

^^ My bad, the case was manslaughter.

http://www.canada.com/news/calgary/P...011/story.html

Edit: There are still cases of parolees being let out before the law indicates. In the Reena Virk case in 1998, a second-degree conviction was handed down in 1999, but one of them was on day parole in 2007, which is less than the 10-year minimum for second degree murder.

I think there are cases where exceptions are made in Canada, but for the most part, they do follow law.

Manslaughter is a totally different situation, you're dealing with cases that cover a pretty broad range of actions so the parole terms are going to vary. The case above also involves a guy who's being paroled and promptly deported, so there's plenty of motivation for the parole board to ship him out.

I believe that the parolee in the Virk case was a juvenile tried as an adult, that may change things slightly but I'm not sure.

Vulcan · 09-13-2012, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Manslaughter is a totally different situation, you're dealing with cases that cover a pretty broad range of actions so the parole terms are going to vary. The case above also involves a guy who's being paroled and promptly deported, so there's plenty of motivation for the parole board to ship him out.

I believe that the parolee in the Virk case was a juvenile tried as an adult, that may change things slightly but I'm not sure.

IIRC at the time a juvenile sentenced as an adult served 7 years for murder.

Stampede2TheCup · 09-13-2012, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Aeneas

Those five words are crazy! So is it better or not? Not being rude (intentionally) I just couldn't help reading that part of the sentence several times.

I can see that might be true but if one qualifies clarification needed by being the one notion expressed vaguely then definitely shouldn't the one with the notion to that which is expressed thereafter be as such?