^^^I actually thought of that right when I heard about the shooting. Just a completely random and bizarre act by someone who nobody ever dreamed would do something so stupid and inhumane.
What stops anyone else from pushing someone onto the tracks right when the c-train comes? Anyone could snap at that minute and do the same thing.
I think Thor is pretty much right. No amount of regulation(necessary as some of it may be) will solve this specific problem. I think there are tons and tons of issues that all contribute to something like this.
Norway is pretty much the polar opposite of the US, and look what happened there.
I tried hard to stay away from this thread because just about everyone knows my feelings on gun laws. But I will say only one thing. 12 people are dead and 71 injured while watching a ####ing movie.
If no assault rifles or handguns I'm willing to bet the ###### may have killed a couple and injured a few more and then got the crap kicked out of him to the point he would probably be dead...think about that you f***ng gun advocate idiots.
In other words. It probably wouldn't have happened and nobody would be dead or injured.
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So I went and caught the 6:30 showing of this movie at Park Meadows (I live in Denver).
Maybe 30 people max were in there. They had cops stationed out front but they said they were there every Friday night when I asked them if they now had guys at all around town. The employees came in and checked the back doors about 3 times over the course of the film but other than that nothing out of the ordinary.
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Being a right-winger myself, I agree with this, despite being a Canadian who's never owned or fired a gun, I can certainly appreciate how important they are as a symbol to American freedom in the eyes of true patriots (lefties, in my opinion, are anti-patriots).
Shocking and offensive statement.
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To let the government decide, for other people, what is necessary or unnecessary, with respect to guns, because they 'fail to see why civilians would need a particular weapon' would just leave an argument open for the government 'failing to see why civilians needs more than 90hp in their cars' among a million other examples of support of more and more government control over our lives in the name of treating grown adults like children.
Would it really though?
Here's my feeling: Freedom without regulation is no freedom at all. Think of a world without laws. Think of a world without red lights or stop signs. Think of a world where every person on earth carried a gun. Think of a world where there were no consequences to lying, or stealing, or cheating. Because that is a "free" world. True freedom is the dominion of psychopaths; it is the land where might is right.
When people say they want freedom, this is not what they are asking for. They want the good parts of freedom without the bad, yet they denounce governments when politicians attempt to accomplish just that.
Freedom in the positive sense is something to be cherished. But what many need to realize is that regulation and positive freedom are symbiotic. Yes, regulation without freedom is tyranny, but so is freedom without regulation.
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I am going to wager that people aren't changing, rather, we have never actually changed. I would put money down that this kind #### has been going on since the start
I'm the liberal but I have been for a long time a gun guy, and of course a responsible one.
The US is a unique issue, and I do not for one second think that massive restrictions to guns is going to solve this issue, the violence you are seeing in these kinds of shootings is a symptom of the problem, what that problem is I don't know.
In Iceland and Canada I know tons of gun owners, and almost zero gun violence in comparison to the states. Its something systemic with the US, maybe its the society, maybe its a complex combination of many things, culture of fame at all costs, horrible health care system that lets down mentally ill people, maybe its the fear culture of the media, maybe its the desperation people feel who struggle and fall to the standards of a country built on wealth and material things... Who knows, maybe all of these are dead wrong..
But what I do know, is that you could tomorrow ban all weapons in the US and these issues would still happen.
Well part of the disparity is probably due to population disparity. More chance with 100+ million people that somebody does something crazy than with 35 million or w/e. We would assume the number violent incidents would be higher in countries with much higher populations.
I don't know if that accounts for all the disparity though.
Banning guns won't stop mass killings. The psycopaths will find other ways to kill. (bombs, poisonings, noxious gases) Guns are currently the easier option, but not the only option.
Since Colorado has concealed carry permits, I'm surprised nobody was packing in the theatre and was able to stop this lunatic.
I would also assume that their unprotected border and the war on drugs which has increased the amount of weapons on the black market by a lot also has a lot to do with gun violence in the US. We hear about incidents like this, but how many more that involve drug cartels are not covered?
Also, to address the point about, I do believe the AR-15 is allowed in Canada, but the 30 round clip is illegal IIRC. I've seen the AR-15 for sale at Wholesale Sports.
Banning guns won't stop mass killings. The psycopaths will find other ways to kill. (bombs, poisonings, noxious gases) Guns are currently the easier option, but not the only option.
His home was actually booby trapped. Didn't he have some kind of gas as well? Not sure. Heard something about a bomb too. Hard to find accurate information.
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Since Colorado has concealed carry permits, I'm surprised nobody was packing in the theatre and was able to stop this lunatic.
The theatre was a no-carry zone.
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I would also assume that their unprotected border and the war on drugs which has increased the amount of weapons on the black market by a lot also has a lot to do with gun violence in the US. We hear about incidents like this, but how many more that involve drug cartels are not covered?
Also, to address the point about, I do believe the AR-15 is allowed in Canada, but the 30 round clip is illegal IIRC. I've seen the AR-15 for sale at Wholesale Sports.
I'm pretty sure in Canada it's restricted to a 6 shot clip. I never understood why people were allowed to buy banana clips or any high capacity magazines.
His home was actually booby trapped. Didn't he have some kind of gas as well? Not sure. Heard something about a bomb too. Hard to find accurate information.
The theatre was a no-carry zone.
Interesting, shows this guy really thought about his target.
He also had tear gas. Not sure where he got that from. Apparently the shotgun he used was bottom loading and held 4 rounds. He reloaded numerous times and it had a pretty devastating effect in a seriously crowded theatre.
All in all he has several thousand dollars worth of equipment. Bought thousands of rounds online as well over a 6 month period.
I'm pretty sure in Canada it's restricted to a 6 shot clip. I never understood why people were allowed to buy banana clips or any high capacity magazines.
I played around with one about 5 years ago, and I think it only had the 6 round clip like you said. I think high-powered rifles are restricted to 6 or 7 round clips too. I think there might have even been a problem with the Ruger style 60 roudn clips for .22 caliber rifles that came out a few years ago. Not sure though. I do believe they are legal now though, as a couple friends have them.
Even with 6 round magazines, it takes about 5 seconds to reload. It wouldn't make much of a difference. The AR-15 isn't automatic anyways, so its not like the guy can empty out a complete magazine in 5 seconds, pop in a fresh one, and keep firing.
The AR-15 fires the .223 round, which isn't much different from the .40 calibre round than his Glocks fired. The .40 round is hollow point, so it would do much more damage if it actually hit someone. The .223 would just go through people. Might explain all the people shot, but only 12 deaths considering how many bullets he obviously fired. Killshots are actually harder to make contrary to popular opinion.
Interesting, shows this guy really thought about his target.
Tough to convince people that only one person proficient in firearms who was carrying could have stopped this before it got worse.
But I agree, considering his firepower and the fact that if there was security there in the first place, they wouldn't be armed.....maybe it could have been prevented if someone with a CC permit was allowed to carry in the theatre.
You can buy the parts state side to turn it full auto. I've fired one before and despite it being semi-auto you can get off all 6 rounds in 2 or 3 seconds. The AR also comes in many calibres I've seen some online that were modified to shoot .50 cal rounds.
An absolute demented act of violence by a disfunctional jacka## that was selfish and who's only mission was to be famous for destroying innocent lives.
What a sick evil individual to be planning this for months.
Such a waste of lives, all those people were having the time of their life watching a movie thinking life is awsome and this jerk decides to make a name for himself by snuffing theirs out and critically wounding everyone he could.
