Shooting at Movie screening of TDKR in Colorado

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

For the record, I held a membership to a local firing range for 3 years. I still go from time to time.

Sweet. So why the hate

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[droopydrew19]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I never listen to Jack FM in the morning thanks to the two d-bags on the morning show, but I was accidentally tuned in this morning when they were talking about it. The chick (Kelly Abbot?) mentioned the shooter's name. "The suspect is James Holmes. He's an American, so at least this wasn't terrorism." Nice bit of racism there.

Kudos to the movie studio on this premiere. Best. Special Effects. Ever

Whoever said that on the air is an idiot. It is terrorism at it's purest form. Organized terrorism usually has misguided political or spiritual motives.

"At least this wasn't terrorism" sounds like something Francis would say. He's good at putting his foot in his mouth.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Aleks

I'm sorry but that is weak. Continue to convince me that that is any different than any other semi auto rifle, functionally not cosmetically. Does color define an assault rifle? A pistol grip handle? Because again they all go bang when you pull a trigger, so you have me confused. Assault rifle is a word the media has latched on to in an effort to scare people like you into thinking there is a different breed of gun out there more dangerous to the public than anything, mission accomplished....

While we are at it should we restrict the public use of cars? They kill people way more often.....or what it he had gone and killed people with a kitchen knife? Should they be banned?

I'm not trying to detract from the tragedy, because it truly is a sad day for all the victims and families, but misguided anger at a tool is incorrect. Let's treat the root cause of mental illness rather than cries of taking away legal gun owners property

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I love this argument that the pro-gun people throw out there. You do know cars and knives have other primary functions, right?

Guns only have one purpose. To kill. It is designed to be a killing device. You don't drive it to work. You don't use it to prepare your dinner.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

I dont care what his name is.

I really wish these people were known only as "the shooter" no face, no name, nothing.

Report the crime not the criminals identity. Mention town, place, whatever but no names let them go down as just a nobody in jail/history.

Not only that, but all the analysis shows that making the shooter some sort of anti-hero and plastering his face all over the news acts as encouragement for like-minded people who are in dark places in their lives. The media effectively turns the killer into a martyr. I get that they have to report the incident, but doing so a lot with a lot less sensationalism would do wonders for reducing these types of incidents.

[sun]

Originally Posted by Aleks

Tell me how I'm baseless. Please

Can you please shut the #### up? Jesus Christ...

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Aleks

Subset of rifle. Fully automatic action rifle would be appropriate.

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Explain how it's a subset of rifle, don't just state that it is, or else you argue in the same manner as everyone you're accusing of arguing badly.

Are you saying a crew man, belt-fed Browning M2 is a rifle under a different name?

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Aleks

Sweet. So why the hate

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Don't hate. I just find incidents like this very sad, and after the story I mentioned earlier about the MS engineering student I know who did something similar (but smaller scale)... just a passing thought and not wanting this to happen again.

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by LouCypher

Another approach to play devils advocate on the gun issue...what if all lethal type bullets and ammunition was banned to all those who dont need to potentially kill someone or something in self defense. Hunters may have an issue obviously so maybe you regulate their ammunition in a certain way. Everyone else can stick to rubber bullets, pellet guns and paint ball. I know this is probably not all that simple, but its another approach.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun control in north America. They also have one of the highest murder and firearm violence rates in north America. bans do nothing except punish those of us law abiding citizens. Murderers and gang bangers will still be out with their "lethal bullets", its been proven. And you are right its not that simple, although I had to chuckle at the lethal type bullets. All are


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[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Aleks

Tell me how I'm baseless. Please

You can't seem to argue for gun ownership on its own so you compare it to completely dissimilar things. What do guns have in common with cars, motorcycles, and kitchen utensils that makes you feel you can rest an entire argument for their merits on their analogousness? How is owning an automobile similar enough to owning a gun that the acceptance of one must necessarily mean the acceptance of the other?

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by Reaper

It's probably because you're coming off as an insensitive jerk who would rather preserve his hobby than protect innocent lives. And, before you go off all half-cocked, I am also an insensitive jerk. However, I know when to pick my battles.

You are correct, this isn't the place for this argument. Although why should one side be allowed to speak an opinion uncontested? My job is protecting life, and exercising compassion. The anti gun crowd started it in here so yes I'm finishing it in here

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[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Aleks

Tell me how I'm baseless. Please

Your argument so far is based entirely on semantics and slippery slopes. You've arbitrarily grouped firearms into three groups in some attempt to downplay the vast danger difference between firearms.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Aleks

Chicago has some of the strictest gun control in north America.

At one time. Not any longer.

http://reason.com/blog/2010/06/28/su...erturns-chicag

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I love this argument that the pro-gun people throw out there. You do know cars and knives have other primary functions, right?

Guns only have one purpose. To kill. It is designed to be a killing device. You don't drive it to work. You don't use it to prepare your dinner.

And if I hunt?

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[kirant]

Originally Posted by Aleks

Tell. Me. How.

That's the point you're missing. One firearm is functionally equally deadly if misused than the next. They all do the same thing. Point, pull, bang. If you would like to be familiarized or an introduction to firearms I'm more than happy to oblige.

The difference is that an assault rifle has much more power and is much more effective in engagement than handguns. They're capable of much longer range attacks with more accuracy to more lethal effect. I doubt one could get similar results with two 9mm Glocks as they would with an AK-47 (then again, I'm not a gun expert. AK-47s are out of date while Glocks are pretty common for a reason).

I can find little reason for one to ever have firepower of that calibre. The only time that comes to mind is hunting.

[RT14]

Originally Posted by Aleks

Tell. Me. How.

By being able to kill 15 people in 5 seconds compared to 2 people in 5 seconds. As an "expert" I find it hard to believe you don't see a difference.

If there's no difference between an assault rifle and a hand gun, why don't we send armies into battle with hand guns? They both kill people, what's the difference? Right?

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Don't hate. I just find incidents like this very sad, and after the story I mentioned earlier about the MS engineering student I know who did something similar (but smaller scale)... just a passing thought and not wanting this to happen again.

Neither do I! So let's fix the root of the issue and tackle mental health issues and identification of unstable individuals!

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by driveway

Echhh... go away, troll. You had the potential to be a reasonable participant in discussion, but you've fallen short. Begone with you.

I don't think there was a single thing in that post that warranted such a response.

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by kirant

The difference is that an assault rifle has much more power and is much more effective in engagement than handguns. They're capable of much longer range attacks with more accuracy to more lethal effect. I doubt one could get similar results with two 9mm Glocks as they would with an AK-47 (then again, I'm not a gun expert. AK-47s are out of date while Glocks are pretty common for a reason).

I can find little reason for one to ever have firepower of that calibre. The only time that comes to mind is hunting.

Its still a rifle. That's the point I'm making. No you can't compare a pistol to a rifle. That's not what I'm doing

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[Burninator]

Originally Posted by LouCypher

Another approach to play devils advocate on the gun issue...what if all lethal type bullets and ammunition was banned to all those who dont need to potentially kill someone or something in self defense. Hunters may have an issue obviously so maybe you regulate their ammunition in a certain way. Everyone else can stick to rubber bullets, pellet guns and paint ball. I know this is probably not all that simple, but its another approach.

I'm not an expert, but my understanding of what classifies something as a firearm is the speed of the projectile (lethality). You don't need a firearms license to own a paint ball gun, but you do a glock 9mm. Rubber bullets can be lethal.

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Your argument so far is based entirely on semantics and slippery slopes. You've arbitrarily grouped firearms into three groups in some attempt to downplay the vast danger difference between firearms.

You're right. One gun will kill you more. Carry on.

They are all equally dangerous. OK? Sure some will shoot farther and more accurate but the fact is I can die by .22 or I can die by .50bmg all the same. The fact is the round in an ak47 is similar to rounds used in any firearms...that has nothing to do with it as a gun. In fact the .223 or 5.56 round used in the m4 military gun is a common coyote round