Texas dad beats 4-year-old daughter's alleged attacker to death

[dissentowner]

Charg him? They should give him a high five and a medal.

[Radio]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

I'll admit I didn't read the story because it might make me angry and I skimmed a lot of the replies thus far; but has anyone mentioned that since this dude is dead there is no other proof other than a 4 yr old child to back up why he beat this man to death? Cops still have a lot of work to do, making sure money wasn't owed - wife wasn't sleeping with the help or something.

In the article his son, the girls brother, came to get the dad because a man had taken the girl. When the dad found them they were both partially nude.

Molesting a 4 year old is hardly restitution for that...or anything...

nm...after reading it again I think I get it...using the molestation as excuse for killing him for some other reason.

[Trojan97]

House arrest should do it.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Gozer

Carrying out your own brand of justice with disregard to the legal system; what is vigilante justice if not this?

Vigilantr to me means to out and seek justice, in this case i see it as defending oneself/others. If he pursued the perp then its vigikante justice. If he snuck up behind him and hit him a few times with a 2x4 then it is defense.

To me defending oneself is different than metting out vigilante justice.

[saskflames69]

Originally Posted by edslunch

But the reaction of people here saying the perp deserved to die....NO ONE deserves to die. When we start picking and choosing who deserves life and death we lower ourselves as a society. I'm not shedding any tears at the scum's death but I'm also not cheering it like some of the mob here.

Nobody deserves to die except child killers and molesters.

[theinfinitejar]

He'd probably be better off legally if he shot him.

[Forever Flames]

Originally Posted by edslunch

This thread disturbs me. I have No sympathy for the rapist and total sympathy for the girl and her father - they both have some serious s### to deal with. I can understand his rage and how he crossed the line to killing whether accidental or intentional. I assume the justice system will deal with fairly and lightly as they should.

But the reaction of people here saying the perp deserved to die....NO ONE deserves to die. When we start picking and choosing who deserves life and death we lower ourselves as a society. I'm not shedding any tears at the scum's death but I'm also not cheering it like some of the mob here.

Some might feel differently if they have been part of a similar situation. We are all going to die at some point, I think molesters should die before philanthropists. If someone doesn't have respect for the human life that they can potentially condemn a child to a life of emotional hell, I don't think that person deserves to live either.

[driveway]

Yes, did the right thing. Still deserves to be charged with Murder 2 and imprisoned for 10+ years.

[llama64]

What the attacker did was wrong.

But the father committed MURDER. (ok, manslaughter since it was a crime of passion rather then premeditation)

Sexual molestation is a horrible thing, but it doesn't deserve death no matter how righteous you get about it. Two wrongs don't make a right to use a cheesy phrase.

Beat the guy sure. Bind him, call the cops. Petition society to bring back castration. Maybe load offenders like this guy on a boat and banish them to antartica.

But murder? Anyone who thinks eye for an eye is justice has the mental processes of a child.

The father should be locked up for a minimum sentence on manslaughter.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by llama64

What the attacker did was wrong.

But the father committed MURDER. (ok, manslaughter since it was a crime of passion rather then premeditation)

Sexual molestation is a horrible thing, but it doesn't deserve death no matter how righteous you get about it. Two wrongs don't make a right to use a cheesy phrase.

Beat the guy sure. Bind him, call the cops. Petition society to bring back castration. Maybe load offenders like this guy on a boat and banish them to antartica.

But murder? Anyone who thinks eye for an eye is justice has the mental processes of a child.

The father should be locked up for a minimum sentence on manslaughter.

See here is the grey area.

Even one punch can kill, but you are condoning laying a beating on this guy.

"In the course of trying to get her away from him, and protect her, he struck the subject several times in the head and the subject died

Now to me, hitting someone several times qualifies as a beating. Any less, and it really doesn't qualify as that.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Gozer

Carrying out your own brand of justice with disregard to the legal system; what is vigilante justice if not this?

He wasn't carrying out his own brand of justice, he was acting in defense of his child.

[Slava]

I can see how the guy should get off with a really light sentence if anything. I would probably be inclined to do the same thing in that situation and I agree with most sentiments here on that point.

I do however wonder whether a child needs to see their father beat a man to death. Putting aside whether or not its justified for a minute, that is not something most people could deal with, let alone a 4 year old.

[Forever Flames]

Originally Posted by llama64

What the attacker did was wrong.

But the father committed MURDER. (ok, manslaughter since it was a crime of passion rather then premeditation)

Sexual molestation is a horrible thing, but it doesn't deserve death no matter how righteous you get about it. Two wrongs don't make a right to use a cheesy phrase.

Beat the guy sure. Bind him, call the cops. Petition society to bring back castration. Maybe load offenders like this guy on a boat and banish them to antartica.

But murder? Anyone who thinks eye for an eye is justice has the mental processes of a child.

The father should be locked up for a minimum sentence on manslaughter.

I doubt the intention was there to kill. Molesters typically keep molesting until they are killed or imprisoned. Castration does NOT stop someone from continuing to molest. Living life having been molested as a child can often be a lifetime of emotional hell; death is far quicker and easier than living a lifetime like this. If killing a molester stops other children from being molested, I have no issue with it. Would you have killed Hitler in 1941 if you had the opportunity? I would have and he would have DESERVED it. This is obviously a microcosm of killing Hitler and him deserving it, but none the less society is better off now and other children are safe.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Forever Flames

I doubt the intention was there to kill. Molesters typically keep molesting until they are killed or imprisoned. Castration does NOT stop someone from continuing to molest. Living life having been molested as a child can often be a lifetime of emotional hell; death is far quicker and easier than living a lifetime like this. If killing a molester stops other children from being molested, I have no issue with it. Would you have killed Hitler in 1941 if you had the opportunity? I would have and he would have DESERVED it. This is obviously a microcosm of killing Hitler and him deserving it, but none the less society is better off now and other children are safe.

[Forever Flames]

Originally Posted by valo403

Haha. I had no idea what that was so I Googled it. Now I feel like the DB who brought up the comparison.

None the less, using another comparison would work. This "holier-than-thou" attitude around here by some posters thinking they are better than others because they don't think molesters deserve to die is aggravating. If you don't agree with how many of us feel, that is 100% acceptable, but there is nothing wrong with those of us who think he did deserve it.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by Forever Flames

If you don't agree with how many of us feel, that is 100% acceptable, but there is nothing wrong with those of us who think he did deserve it.

Actually, the point can be made that there IS something wrong with those who think he deserved it. Those who believe he deserved it believe that, under certain circumstances, it is acceptable to take a human life.

Perhaps some of those who think he didn't deserve it feel the same, but they feel that these circumstances do not justify the act, but other acts would (insert Hitler here).

Now those people who feel that under no circumstances is it ever acceptable to take a human life would declare the previous two people to both be morally wrong - which is pretty much the only acceptable definition of there being something "wrong with you."

[Forever Flames]

driveway: I feel that some people deserve to die based on the circumstances. I don't feel guilty about it, I'm not going to apologize for it, and I definitely don't think there is anything wrong with me or anyone who feels the same.

People can make the point that there is something wrong with me for feeling the way I feel, but it's only an opinion. To have someone come down on me and others on the forum and says that "Anyone who thinks eye for an eye is justice has the mental processes of a child." is more than an opinion, it's a judgement and an insult. There is no evidence to prove this judgement and therefore it is stepping over the line.

Like I said, people are entitled to their opinion, but going beyond that and judging us is hypocritical.

[driveway]

That's fine, you just have to deal with the fact that it's possible to make a rational argument there is something wrong with you.

The only bearing your lack of guilt and your stated intention not to apologize have on the matter are that they lend weight to the argument that, not only is there something morally wrong with you, but there is something seriously morally wrong with you, as you feel no remorse, nor desire to correct or investigate this potential moral shortcoming.

[Forever Flames]

Make the argument, don't judge me. I have a conscience and feel guilty for things I've done so don't paint me with your condescending brush. I could argue there is something morally wrong with someone who isn't willing to do what it takes to protect their fellow man from molesters, rapists, murderers etc.

I have no moral shortcoming and this topic might be a little too broad and expansive for you, you likely lack the life experience of going through this kind of loss and trauma to judge someone as having a moral shortcoming.

[MarchHare]

I could argue there is something morally wrong with someone who isn't willing to do what it takes to protect their fellow man from molesters, rapists, murderers etc.

That's a fallacious argument, and you know it.

Just because some people think that beating a man to death is going beyond the level of force necessary to protect a child from sexual abuse doesn't mean they don't want to see sufficient action taken to protect innocents from molesters. That's the kind of facile "you're either with us or you're with the child predators" argument we've recently seen from morons like Vic Toews.