U.S. again bombs mourners

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I say #### 'em. Shoot them all.

The fact is that villagers know when there is going to be an ambush and those that want nothing to do with it, get the hell out. Chances are that if you are around when an ambush takes place... you're part of it.
As for blowing up people attending the funeral of a known terrorist... kill them too. Don't want to end up dead? Don't hang around with terrorists.

I have a brother-in-law who's in Afghanistan right now. He's a combat medic working for a private contractor. Their policy is "If someone appears to be a threat... shoot first and ask questions later." I say go for it. The next time I see my brother-in-law I don't want to see him in a coffin.

Stay safe bro!!!!

Your cavalier attitude towards the killing of innocent people sickens me.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Your cavalier attitude towards the killing of innocent people sickens me.

Frankly I don't give a rat's ass what you think. If killing some terrorism supporter (even though they personally may not have shot at anyone or personally planted an IED ) means my brother-in-law will make it home safely, I'm all for it
If they hang around terrorists, they're not innocent.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Frankly I don't give a rat's ass what you think. If killing some terrorism supporter (even though they personally may not have shot at anyone or personally planted an IED ) means my brother-in-law will make it home safely, I'm all for it
If they hang around terrorists, they're not innocent.

You have no problem with bombing kids if they're there?

And kids are there; this isn't a battlefield.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

You have no problem with bombing kids if they're there?

And kids are there; this isn't a battlefield.

I blame that on the parents of the children. Their kids shouldn't be hanging around terrorists.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I blame that on the parents of the children. Their kids shouldn't be hanging around terrorists.

Right, but you said:

As for blowing up people attending the funeral of a known terrorist... kill them too. Don't want to end up dead? Don't hang around with terrorists.

So whether you blame it on parents or not, do you have a problem with blowing up children at these funerals, or not? Judging by your quote you don't, but I'm clarifying.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Right, but you said:



So whether you blame it on parents or not, do you have a problem with blowing up children at these funerals, or not? Judging by your quote you don't, but I'm clarifying.

Parents, if they want to attend funerals of terrorists, is fine... they take their chances. However, they shouldn't be taking chances with their children's lives. Keep the kids at home.

I'm sorry it happens but if you want to hide behind your children, don't be surprised if your kids die too. I see no difference in this compared to someone who is building bombs in a house with children inside. We are just supposed to let it be, allowing bombs to be built that will kill our soldiers, just because the terrorists think we're soft and won't target them because there are children present?
The terrorists don't think twice about blowing up places that are full of innocent civilians. That why they are winning. And when they win, the bombs will start going off in Canada and the USA.... and you and your family will be at risk now.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Parents, if they want to attend funerals of terrorists, is fine... they take their chances. However, they shouldn't be taking chances with their children's lives. Keep the kids at home.

I'm sorry it happens but if you want to hide behind your children, don't be surprised if your kids die too. I see no difference in this compared to someone who is building bombs in a house with children inside. We are just supposed to let it be, allowing bombs to be built that will kill our soldiers, just because the terrorists think we're soft and won't target them because there are children present. The terrorists don't think twice about blowing up places that are full of innocent civilians. That why they are winning. And when they win, the bombs will start going off in Canada and the USA.... and you and your family will be at risk now.

Where do you think these funerals occur? They happen in villages, in towns, where there are children present regardless of whether they are attending a funeral or not. Not on a battlefield, and not in the process of an act of war. But I digress; the difference between having their children/other children at and around a funeral and children being used as human shields during bomb making should be fairly obvious, and why the attacking of one is against international law and why the other isn't, so I won't really go into that.

I do have a question though: Do you have a problem with the terrorists/insurgents blowing up areas full of innocent civilians? If you do, do you have a problem with Western nation states (elected by us) blowing up areas full of innocent civilians, and if not, how do you justify the one while not the other? Is it only because the ones they are blowing up are our people, while the ones we are blowing up are their people, or is it the actual act of disregarding innocent life?

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I do have a question though: Do you have a problem with the terrorists/insurgents blowing up areas full of innocent civilians? If you do, do you have a problem with Western nation states (elected by us) blowing up areas full of innocent civilians, and if not, how do you justify the one while not the other?

Yes, I do have a problem with terrorists blowing up areas full of innocent civilians.
Yes I do have a problem with us blowing up areas full of innocent civilians... but I don't believe that is what happens. They are targetting known terrorists and their supporters. Sure innocents may die as collateral damage. Get used to it. It happens. Its war. But that is not our (our as in our military forces) intention.... unlike the terrorists who detonate bombs in marketplaces that are packed with innocents... with no specific target or military purpose... the only purpose is just to instill fear in those who survive or those who think of opposing them.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Where do you think these funerals occur? They happen in villages, in towns, where there are children present regardless of whether they are attending a funeral or not. Not on a battlefield, and not in the process of an act of war.

These villagers don't seem to have a problem with disappearing before a troop ambush takes place. Perhaps they should do likewise during terrorist funerals?
Harsh... yes.. but its war and war is brutal. Do we really want the Taliban running Afghanistan again? Nothing good will come of that... just like it did 11 years ago.

[afc wimbledon]

The Taliban are running Afghanistan and Pakistan and have been through out this 'war', the most we have managed is to semi control a few cities.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Yes, I do have a problem with terrorists blowing up areas full of innocent civilians.
Yes I do have a problem with us blowing up areas full of innocent civilians... but I don't believe that is what happens. They are targetting known terrorists and their supporters. Sure innocents may die as collateral damage. Get used to it. It happens. Its war. But that is not our (our as in our military forces) intention.... unlike the terrorists who detonate bombs in marketplaces that are packed with innocents... with no specific target or military purpose... the only purpose is just to instill fear in those who survive or those who think of opposing them.

It may not be the intention of Western forces, but it may be simply a callous disregard by the CIA for anything but eliminating their target. Military forces don't control or decide on drone strikes.

It is easy to dismiss every civilian death as "it happens" during war. You could drop a nuke on Kabul and technically say "this is war, it happens" and continue on with things without nary a thought. However, I would like to think our forces wouldn't do that, even if it would take out a few insurgents, because of the cost of innocent life. But perhaps, in the situations described in this article, those factors aren't being weighed adequately by an organization that isn't bound by the rules and behaviour that our armed forces are?

Anyway, not ever terrorist/insurgent in the mountains of Pakistan is someone that targets civilians in marketplaces. Many are insurgents fighting what they believe to be a war of liberation against a foreign invader, as misguided as it may be, and target ISAF forces. There are many that are despicable human beings, though, there is no doubt.

I do find this news article interesting considering this topic: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...g.html?cmp=rss

The Taliban claimed responsibility for the explosion Wednesday, which occurred near small shops in a parking and waiting area for trucks that supply logistics to Kandahar Airfield, a massive military installation run by the U.S.-led coalition.

One suicide bomber detonated his motorbike filled with explosives first. Then, as people rushed to assist the casualties, another suicide bomber on foot walked up to the area and blew himself up, said Javid Faisal, a spokesman for Kandahar province. He said the death toll stood at 22 and that 50 were wounded. All the dead were civilians, he said.

The original target seems to have been military in objective (500m from a military base), and when civilians rushed to help the wounded, they detonated another bomb. Don't help the enemy if you don't want to get killed, I guess they might say. It's war, after all

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The Taliban are running Afghanistan and Pakistan and have been through out this 'war', the most we have managed is to semi control a few cities.

I agree... and its mostly because of the western nations's refusal to get tough policy. We are fighting one kind of war and the Taliban are fighting a completely different kind of war.... and they are winning unfortunately.

I dread to see what will happen when the USA pulls out of Afghanistan. It'll be Sept 2001 all over again... except worse.

[Kipperriffic]

This Rerun guy lives in a shell. He doesn't know what it feels like to have a relative blown to bits. If your beloved brother in law comes home in pieces then talk about how relatives of those innocent dead felt.

Blind piece of $@#%.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I agree... and its mostly because of the western nations's refusal to get tough policy.

Right. Because while the Afghani and Pakistani Taleban have populations of hundreds of millions of heavily indoctrinated people right next door that look upon the US with, at the best of times, massive amounts of distrust, bombing villages indiscriminately and targeting funeral attendees will cause them to suddenly think, "Hey, I better take off this vest of high-explosives that I was about to blow myself up with in order to take out a handful of American soldiers. I wouldn't want to get targeted by the Westerners and get blown up and die now, would I?"

The Soviets already tried the tough policy. History has spoken. It didn't work.

[T@T]

Unfortunately the price of war is civilian deaths, you simply cannot pick and choose when and where to target the ememy.you see them...you attack them.

It was a lot worst in WWII, you don't see B-52's carpet bombing whole villages and towns to get a small group, their using precision weapons from mostly invisible drones with very little collateral damage. The USA also dropped 5 million leaflets to these parts warning civilians that terrorists would be tarketed by airstrikes.

Maybe if the Pakistani government(who claim to be on our side) would weed these terrorists out of their country this wouldn't be happening.

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by Kipperriffic

This Rerun guy lives in a shell. He doesn't know what it feels like to have a relative blown to bits. If your beloved brother in law comes home in pieces then talk about how relatives of those innocent dead felt.

Blind piece of $@#%.

He's talking reality, the islamic taliban ARE fighting a different war and ARE winning. The US and Canada have to follow rules, they don't, this war must be won or it's coming to a neighbourhood near you. If we pull out without winning then they win and they won't stop. Look what they did to Spain, now they control Spain because they don't want to rock the boat. They're like the borg, resistance is futile and you will be assimilated or killed.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by trublmaker

He's talking reality, the islamic taliban ARE fighting a different war and ARE winning. The US and Canada have to follow rules, they don't, this war must be won or it's coming to a neighbourhood near you. If we pull out without winning then they win and they won't stop. Look what they did to Spain, now they control Spain because they don't want to rock the boat. They're like the borg, resistance is futile and you will be assimilated or killed.

time to give the pipe a break buddy!

[burn_this_city]

Such alarmist bull####.

[WesternCanadaKing]

It's attitudes like those of Rerun that put us in this mess in the first place. They are strengthening the resolve and terrorists and creating martyrs.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I dread to see what will happen when the USA pulls out of Afghanistan. It'll be Sept 2001 all over again... except worse.

And now I understand how Fox News keeps its ratings up.