I have several years' supply of plastic bags for garbage. If a ban ever happens here (I'm on my city council so I highly doubt it) I can start washing and reusing them. Given my advanced age, I think I'm good for my lifetime. Maybe I can sell them; hey, business opportunity beckons.
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I use plastic bags all the time. I'm not going to buy fancy cotton bags for my garbage can. I'm gonna stick with plastic, TYVM. I guess I'm just going to have to pay for them now. But I'm glad I'll be helping the environment so significantly with my extra $5/month to GLAD trashco.
Meanwhile, I bet that Cowboys stadium gets fill about 100x/day by the packaging from actual groceries. Like plastic margerine containers, and yogurt containers, and styrofoam from meat, and the plastic around each little pizza pop.
And the two barrels of oil to make the two square feet of super plastic that that holds the $15 flash drive. And all that plastic gets only one use. 15 times thicker, and only used once.
Wow! They use two barrels of oil to package a 15$ flash drive? That's gotta be like 200 bucks on packaging alone. Crazy. Who subsidizes all that packaging? Taxpayers, no doubt.
Other than that, you make a good point -- why get rid of plastic shopping bags if you aren't going to completely alter society?
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"If there was a couple hundred thousand people down at Nathan Phillips Square saying they want plastic bags back, yes, then the councillors will listen,” said Ford, who has positioned himself as a champion of small government and low taxes.
I guess this fool really thinks people love their plastic Safeway bag.
I know it's a goofy cliche, but damn, talk about your First-World Problems.
I'm cool with ridding plastic bags. More of a waste on the environment for the brief continence they provide the consumer. We have alternative methods of carrying items.
I'm cool with ridding plastic bags. More of a waste on the environment for the brief continence they provide the consumer. We have alternative methods of carrying items.
Wow! They use two barrels of oil to package a 15$ flash drive? That's gotta be like 200 bucks on packaging alone. Crazy. Who subsidizes all that packaging? Taxpayers, no doubt.
Other than that, you make a good point -- why get rid of plastic shopping bags if you aren't going to completely alter society?
I apologize for tricking you with that hyperbole. What I should have said is that there is much more plastic in much less useful things, that are just as easy to go after.
As far as bags go, I see no problem with charging a nickle or a dime per bag to reduce use and curb excess, but completely banning them is ridiculous.
I apologize for tricking you with that hyperbole. What I should have said is that there is much more plastic in much less useful things, that are just as easy to go after.
As far as bags go, I see no problem with charging a nickle or a dime per bag to reduce use and curb excess, but completely banning them is ridiculous.
Apology accepted.
If you can come up with reusable yogurt and margarine containers that are as simple to use and maintain as a cotton bag, you will become wealthy beyond imagination. Until such time as this miracle invention exists, I don't think it's such a bad idea to get rid of something that we don't need, like plastic bags.
Since my last post, I went to the grocery store myself. It's something I do often. This time, like usual, I picked up the reusable bag hanging off the coat rack by the door (an action any reasonable person would call "doing nothing), and had my groceries bagged in that.
I paid a dollar for this reusable bag at the grocery store about a year ago. Since then, I would estimate that I have brought home at least 300 plastic-bags-worth of groceries in this one bag. It's a goddamned miracle, I tells ya.
Now granted, I haven't quite yet solved the world's environmental problems with my reusable bag, what I haven't done is brought home 300 plastic bags, by doing nothing.
Is it a big step? No it isn't.
Is there some amount of selfishness involved? Sure, I don't like 300 plastic bags in my house.
Unlike you, apparently, I don't mind buying a box of garbage bags every six months, so I've solved that problem too, just by buying a box of garbage bags, and bringing them in my reusable shopping bag.
So really what you seem to be saying is doing nothing is too much, and you would prefer to use wasteful plastic bags, instead of doing nothing.
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This kind of city by-law confuses me. If a store chooses to give their customers plastic bags to carry things after purchasing something, how is that an illegal act? They get a city ticket?
If someone spent enough money after being fined, they could win this fight. Plastic and bags are not illegal themselves. I am pro-environment, but politicians need to worry about more important things such as jobs, crime, education etc - not freaking shopping bags.
Why is a municipal government even bothering with these type of things, don't they have better things to do? Reminds me of Pinkott's any idling and the anti transfats crusades.
If you can come up with reusable yogurt and margarine containers that are as simple to use and maintain as a cotton bag, you will become wealthy beyond imagination. Until such time as this miracle invention exists, I don't think it's such a bad idea to get rid of something that we don't need, like plastic bags.
Since my last post, I went to the grocery store myself. It's something I do often. This time, like usual, I picked up the reusable bag hanging off the coat rack by the door (an action any reasonable person would call "doing nothing), and had my groceries bagged in that.
I paid a dollar for this reusable bag at the grocery store about a year ago. Since then, I would estimate that I have brought home at least 300 plastic-bags-worth of groceries in this one bag. It's a goddamned miracle, I tells ya.
Now granted, I haven't quite yet solved the world's environmental problems with my reusable bag, what I haven't done is brought home 300 plastic bags, by doing nothing.
Is it a big step? No it isn't.
Is there some amount of selfishness involved? Sure, I don't like 300 plastic bags in my house.
Unlike you, apparently, I don't mind buying a box of garbage bags every six months, so I've solved that problem too, just by buying a box of garbage bags, and bringing them in my reusable shopping bag.
So really what you seem to be saying is doing nothing is too much, and you would prefer to use wasteful plastic bags, instead of doing nothing.
Congratulations on being a condescending dbag.
Where did I say that I prefer to do nothing? I use the bags as garbage bags. Yes, I can buy garbage bags, but hey, those are just one use, right? At least with shopping bags they get a second use. So what makes you better than me, exactly? That you purchase a box of bags and I get them one at a time, for free with my groceries? What's your point?
The real matter here is whether banning bags is reasonable. I'm all for charging for them. I'm sure that that would reduce consumption drastically, without going draconian and outlawing something so arbitrary. Bags. People use them. Even the most environmentally minded person is going to forget their bag or get asked to stop at the store once in awhile. I bet even you have used a plastic bag or two in the last year, Rouge.
If, however, a charge were to come into effect, I hope the money collected goes to something recycling related, and not into general revenue.
As soon as Tim Hortons cups and the clear plastic wrapper on cigarette packages are banned, there'll be a 76.453% reduction in the garbage that gets stuck on chain-link fences, I estimate.
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