Refugees and Refugee Claimants To Be Denied Healthcare By Harper Government

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I believe this is being put in place to stop some 65 year old with a preexisting medical condition from coming to Canada to take advantage of our system.

Wouldn't most cases like that fall under immigrant status and not refugee(ism)? I mean I do understand the need for that (though it might be overstated) but I don't think that is really part of this particular problem.

[Lt.Spears]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

In all honesty, what else are we supposed to do?

Send them packing, this isn't a handout.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Lt.Spears

Send them packing, this isn't a handout.

As mentioned already, even if there wasn't the issue of international moral responsibility, many refugees becomes productive members of society, driven by the need to create a new life and the knowledge of how bad it can be.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Lt.Spears

Send them packing, this isn't a handout.

Kind of like the way one can move to Alberta and suddenly reap in the riches of something in the ground none of us had anything to do with being there?

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Kind of like the way one can move to Alberta and suddenly reap in the riches of something in the ground none of us had anything to do with being there?

Speak for yourself. I have been perfecting my time machine and have begun my campaign to herd and terminate the lives of more dinosaurs within Alberta borders.

You guys can all get out, leave your keys and pink slips on the hook by the door.

[Traditional_Ale]

I'm so in. I call being director of marketing. That way I can whimsically brainwash to my heart's content.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Daradon

As mentioned already, even if there wasn't the issue of international moral responsibility, many refugees becomes productive members of society, driven by the need to create a new life and the knowledge of how bad it can be.

Typical leftie bleeding-heart bull$hit. What did foreigners and immigrants ever do for this country?

My great-grandparents came to Canada with nothing but a Swedish surname and all they got for free was a quarter-section of fertile farmland near an Indian Reserve.

They didn't have the luxury of "health care" in those days, but they did alright.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Daradon

As mentioned already, even if there wasn't the issue of international moral responsibility, many refugees becomes productive members of society, driven by the need to create a new life and the knowledge of how bad it can be.

I personally don't deny that, but when we have a health care system that's already in crisis and can't seem to handle our own citizens, it seems foolish to live up to some moral responsibility of letting people come here with severe medical problems to even further weigh down the system.

We need to fix our internal system problems first.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Typical leftie bleeding-heart bull$hit. What did foreigners and immigrants ever do for this country?

My great-grandparents came to Canada with nothing but a Swedish surname and all they got for free was a quarter-section of fertile farmland near an Indian Reserve.

They didn't have the luxury of "health care" in those days, but they did alright.

In case you missed it, the second bold section kind of answers the first.

[1stLand]

I for one welcome our new Refugee Overlords.

Overlords need free healthcare.

[Flash Walken]

A little bit scary to read 'pre-existing condition' from a Canadian as a reason to deny someone healthcare.

[GP_Matt]

I think the bigger problem than free health care is how long it takes to process the applications. Refuges aren't supposed to work, they are just supposed to wait idly while their application takes years working its way through the system.
Does anyone know the success rate of refugee claimants? You hear about some of the ones that get rejected but I have never heard what the acceptance rate is.

On a side note, I don't think that oil comes from dead dinosaurs.

[jolinar of malkshor]

The government is not denying these people anything that you or I do not get. We all have to pay for our dental and optometry needs. Why should they get these services paid for when we don't get coverage. I could maybe understand that once one is deemed to be a refugee (not just a claimant) then maybe they could get coverage for 1 year to ensure any issues are looked at. The vast majority of refugee claimants in Canada are not found to be refugees so why are we paying for these health services to people who are abusing the system?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

I think the bigger problem than free health care is how long it takes to process the applications. Refuges aren't supposed to work, they are just supposed to wait idly while their application takes years working its way through the system.
Does anyone know the success rate of refugee claimants? You hear about some of the ones that get rejected but I have never heard what the acceptance rate is.

On a side note, I don't think that oil comes from dead dinosaurs.

Actually, refugee claimants (big difference between a deemed refugee) are given open work permits so they can work. The success rate for refugee claimants depends on the country that they are making the claim against. Claimants from countries like Mexico have a success rate of like 12-18%. From countries like Somalia 80-90%.

Here is a graph from CBC. Scroll down a bit and it will compare some countries. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...haag-data.html

Here is a list of source countries. Notice how the refugee claims all dried up once the VISA was posted on Mexico.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resourc...mporary/25.asp

[mykalberta]

I like how some people think that saving 20,000,000 isnt worth the effort so we should just keep spending it. And people wonder why government spending is constantly on the rise. The total cost of the refugee healthcare program was 84.6 million last year, I am not great at math but I think if every government department could find a 23.6% savings - it wouldnt be a terrible such a thing.

I dont believe that Canadian taxpayers should have to pay to fix someones pre-existing conditions just because they have refugee status. You have bad teeth or a wonky eye before you show up, you have lived with those for X years, you can live with them another Y years until your refugee claim is either approved or denied.

I also love how someone with a medical degree believes they are qualified to speak on immigration issues. Doctors dont think that people scam the system to get free healthcare system. Wow, I didnt know so many medical doctors also had experience in the immigration department. Maybe they think that gypsies are hard working people just trying to escape a totalitarian regime.. I tend to think doctors should stick to their day job of and let others worry about immigration.

[GP_Matt]

It is hard to imagine a refuge claim being valid from Hungary when they have the option to move anywhere in Europe.

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

So, basically, the government doesn't want to pay for non-Canadian's healthcare.

The doctors, by ethical morality, must treat a sick person, regardless of their nationality.

The doctors have to continue treating ill non-Canadians, they just won't get paid for it.

Therefore, at the end of it all, this is just doctors being greedy, as always.

lol really? Nothing you have said is actually true, but for the sake of argument: How is wanting to get paid for your work considered greedy, or even specific to doctors?

What sort of work do you do? I have some blue collar jobs around my house that need doing, and I want you to do it - for free of course. If you say no you are a greedy hypocrite.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

I like how some people think that saving 20,000,000 isnt worth the effort so we should just keep spending it. And people wonder why government spending is constantly on the rise. The total cost of the refugee healthcare program was 84.6 million last year, I am not great at math but I think if every government department could find a 23.6% savings - it wouldnt be a terrible such a thing.

I dont believe that Canadian taxpayers should have to pay to fix someones pre-existing conditions just because they have refugee status. You have bad teeth or a wonky eye before you show up, you have lived with those for X years, you can live with them another Y years until your refugee claim is either approved or denied.

I also love how someone with a medical degree believes they are qualified to speak on immigration issues. Doctors dont think that people scam the system to get free healthcare system. Wow, I didnt know so many medical doctors also had experience in the immigration department. Maybe they think that gypsies are hard working people just trying to escape a totalitarian regime.. I tend to think doctors should stick to their day job of and let others worry about immigration.

Do you have extensive experience in the federal immigration department?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Typical leftie bleeding-heart bull$hit. What did foreigners and immigrants ever do for this country?

My great-grandparents came to Canada with nothing but a Swedish surname and all they got for free was a quarter-section of fertile farmland near an Indian Reserve.

They didn't have the luxury of "health care" in those days, but they did alright.

This is either the best ironic line ever, or you are the dumbest person I ever met.

And people thanked your response too... Wow...

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I personally don't deny that, but when we have a health care system that's already in crisis and can't seem to handle our own citizens, it seems foolish to live up to some moral responsibility of letting people come here with severe medical problems to even further weigh down the system.

We need to fix our internal system problems first.

Yes, but our health care problems don't really have a lot to do with this. Yes we need to fix them, but this is a tiny tiny part of a much larger problem.

I also see my first question is being ignored.