05-02-2012, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke
I'm just pissed off that the cops get a slap on the wrists for breaking the law that they're sworn to uphold.
You know, things that a regular person would go to jail for.
The Police should be held to a higher standard of accountability in regards to the law, not be exempt from it.
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What penalties that are permissible under the Privacy Act should the police have been subjected to that they were not?
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05-02-2012, 08:18 PM
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So, where are the pictures?
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05-03-2012, 09:36 AM
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WOW, The CPS is having a bad run right now.
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A veteran police officer is facing charges, including breach of trust, for allegedly using Calgary Police Service databases to dig up personal information on at least 10 people in return for cash from a financial institution.
Det. Gerard Brand, who has been with the service for 21 years and faced criminal charges before, was arrested on Wednesday at police headquarters and charged with unauthorized use of a computer and breach of trust.
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http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...954/story.html
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05-03-2012, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner
What penalties that are permissible under the Privacy Act should the police have been subjected to that they were not?
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Why are you limiting this to penalties under the Privacy Act?
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05-03-2012, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
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How the hell does the financial institution get off with being unnamed after soliciting illegal services?
I want to know the name to make sure that I'm not doing business with them.
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05-03-2012, 10:01 AM
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And to think, Vic Toews wants to give the police the ability to do this kind of thing legally and without a warrant.
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05-03-2012, 10:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaramonLS
How the hell does the financial institution get off with being unnamed after soliciting illegal services?
I want to know the name to make sure that I'm not doing business with them.
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One person, at one branch, who knew this particular officer, doesn't make a whole institution dirty. That's why.
I know a lot of idiots who work for different banks- doesn't mean, on a whole, that the bank is bad.
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05-03-2012, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by valo403
Why are you limiting this to penalties under the Privacy Act?
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If that is not a proper limitation, my bad. I don't know what penalties should or shouldn't be applied in this kind of situation.
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05-03-2012, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by REDVAN
One person, at one branch, who knew this particular officer, doesn't make a whole institution dirty. That's why.
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Agreed. The news story should read "Some guy who works at an unnamed police department arrested for an unspecified illegal act." We wouldn't want facts to unduly influence our opinions on any named entities.
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05-03-2012, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner
If that is not a proper limitation, my bad. I don't know what penalties should or shouldn't be applied in this kind of situation.
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Didn't mean to criticize, was actually just curious if there was a reason it would be limited.
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05-03-2012, 11:09 AM
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What penalties that are permissible under the Privacy Act should the police have been subjected to that they were not?
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I dont know what the penalties are or should be, but 're-training' is a joke. You're going to re-train police so that they know the limits of the law? Its their job, they should already know the limits of the law or they should be canned.
If I were to invade the privacy of one my employees they'd probably sue me and I'd get fired, not sent into a small room with bad coffee and stale pastries to be humoured for an hour or two.
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05-03-2012, 11:11 AM
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The re-training has more to do with the technical side of things I imagine. And I wouldn't be so sure that you would be summarily fired either.
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05-03-2012, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner
The re-training has more to do with the technical side of things I imagine. And I wouldn't be so sure that you would be summarily fired either.
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And that may be true, but I'm generalizing in the capacity that if one coworker were to sue another for invasion of privacy, one of them has to go, likely the one who has committed the crime.
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05-03-2012, 12:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke
I dont know what the penalties are or should be, but 're-training' is a joke. You're going to re-train police so that they know the limits of the law? Its their job, they should already know the limits of the law or they should be canned.
If I were to invade the privacy of one my employees they'd probably sue me and I'd get fired, not sent into a small room with bad coffee and stale pastries to be humoured for an hour or two.
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In all fairness, the police officer in question wasn't exactly a "great police officer." In my opinion, he shouldn't be allowed to remain with the CPS even if he doesn't serve any time for the private information for cash scheme. This is the same officer who left his gun in his car while at the folk festival and it was stolen.
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05-03-2012, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
WOW, The CPS is having a bad run right now.
A veteran police officer is facing charges, including breach of trust, for allegedly using Calgary Police Service databases to dig up personal information on at least 10 people in return for cash from a financial institution.
Det. Gerard Brand, who has been with the service for 21 years and faced criminal charges before, was arrested on Wednesday at police headquarters and charged with unauthorized use of a computer and breach of trust.
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...954/story.html |
I think I am okay with it.
Those people had personal information available to law enforcement. The police own all content about people. So looking up their information and selling it to a shadowy, unnamed financial institution that bribes police officers is fine by me. They didn't hack in. They found something in plain sight..
The ridiculous thing is this that these people are not police officers, but their whining got a 21 year veteran arrested.
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05-03-2012, 06:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaramonLS
How the hell does the financial institution get off with being unnamed after soliciting illegal services?
I want to know the name to make sure that I'm not doing business with them.
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They bribed the media to remain nameless?
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05-03-2012, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by CaramonLS
How the hell does the financial institution get off with being unnamed after soliciting illegal services?
I want to know the name to make sure that I'm not doing business with them.
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They said on Global it was Manila Capital, one of those cash-advance joints.
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05-03-2012, 11:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Medium Rare
They said on Global it was Manila Capital, one of those cash-advance joints.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaramonLS
How the hell does the financial institution get off with being unnamed after soliciting illegal services?
I want to know the name to make sure that I'm not doing business with them.
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I think you're safe Caramon, unless you had a deal go bad in the NE and needed a 65% APR loan.
Hyperbole is an understatement when using the word "institution", considering the main contact email address for the loan shark are from the good people at Hotmail.
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05-04-2012, 12:49 AM
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There wasn't much attention on it when it was reported, but I've heard that suspicions of corruption and shady behavior are being looked into regarding that gang war in Calgary that has been quiet for a while now between two rival gangs, when Calgary Police documents with names and home addresses of rivals were found in the home of the other gang. It would be quite crazy if this info led to targeted hits on people.
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05-04-2012, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by REDVAN
One person, at one branch, who knew this particular officer, doesn't make a whole institution dirty. That's why.
I know a lot of idiots who work for different banks- doesn't mean, on a whole, that the bank is bad.
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I guess the question I would then ask you is: Who loses when this 'institution' loses money? I know a standard employee or even over zealous middle management wouldn't implement a policy like this one. At the very minimum it is a branch manager or someone higher up to do something like this, even if it was a rank and file employee who was caught doing it.
That place should be punished relentlessly and is hopefully out of business within the calendar year.
Thanks for those who said it was Manila capital (don't have any loans there).
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