Sven "Fricken" Bartschi!

[Kipperking]

Thomas may not be a superstar, but Chara CERTAINLY is.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Kipperking

Thomas may not be a superstar, but Chara CERTAINLY is.

I think superstar is a term thrown around much too loosely these days.

Gretzky was a superstar.
Lemieux was a superstar.
Orr was a superstar.
Lindstrom is a superstar.
The Rocket was a superstar.
Bobby Hull was a superstar.
Messier was a superstar.
Lafleur was a superstar.
Crosby is a superstar.
Jagr is/was a superstar.
Coffey was a superstar
Ray Bourque was a superstar.

Sorry but Chara is not a superstar. He's a great d-man but not in the superstar category.

[P-DAZZLE]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I think superstar is a term thrown around much too loosely these days.

Gretzky was a superstar.
Lemieux was a superstar.
Orr was a superstar.
Lindstrom is a superstar.
The Rocket was a superstar.
Bobby Hull was a superstar.
Messier was a superstar.
Lafleur was a superstar.
Crosby is a superstar.
Jagr is/was a superstar.
Coffey was a superstar
Ray Bourque was a superstar.

Sorry but Chara is not a superstar. He's a great d-man but not in the superstar category.

If this is the list then the argument is not necessary, because a lot of teams who have won the cup didn't have superstars. I would say Chara and Thomas played like superstars in last years playoffs. Keith, Toews and maybe even Kane played like superstars two years ago. Ward and Staal for the 'Canes cup. Richards, Lecavalier, Boyle, St.Louis. Niedermayer and Pronger. Crosby and Malkin. Pretty much every year the winning team had guys play like superstars, whether or not they continued to play like superstars after the fact is another argument.

[Kipperking]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I think superstar is a term thrown around much too loosely these days.

Gretzky was a superstar.
Lemieux was a superstar.
Orr was a superstar.
Lindstrom is a superstar.
The Rocket was a superstar.
Bobby Hull was a superstar.
Messier was a superstar.
Lafleur was a superstar.
Crosby is a superstar.
Jagr is/was a superstar.
Coffey was a superstar
Ray Bourque was a superstar.

Sorry but Chara is not a superstar. He's a great d-man but not in the superstar category.

I would define all those players as generational talents.

Stars, Allstars, Superstars, then GT.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by P-DAZZLE

If this is the list then the argument is not necessary, because a lot of teams who have won the cup didn't have superstars. I would say Chara and Thomas played like superstars in last years playoffs. Keith, Toews and maybe even Kane played like superstars two years ago. Ward and Staal for the 'Canes cup. Richards, Lecavalier, Boyle, St.Louis. Niedermayer and Pronger. Crosby and Malkin. Pretty much every year the winning team had guys play like superstars, whether or not they continued to play like superstars after the fact is another argument.

The Con Smyth winners list is littered with players who have performed like superstars during their quest for the cup but were not superstars during their career.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Kipperking

I would define all those players as generational talents.

Stars, Allstars, Superstars, then GT.

We have a new category folks.... GT

[Kipperking]

It's always been there Rerun...

[Knalus]

Pronger is the only other D man "currently" playing I would consider a superstar after Lidstrom.

Baertchi, hopefully becomes a superstar. I'll take All-star, though.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Kipperking

It's always been there Rerun...

Then I would say only 5 or possibly 6 players on my list are GT's. The rest are just superstars.

Still doesn't make Chara one of them.

[Kipperking]

Gretzky, Orr, Lemieux, Roy are probably the only GT's IMO.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Kipperking

Gretzky, Orr, Lemieux, Roy are probably the only GT's IMO.

Ya gotta throw Maurice "The Rocket" Richard in there. The guy absolutely dominated the game in his prime. People rioted over him. Opposition players feared him....

[kehatch]

What is the category after ridiculous. Because that is what this is.

[Kipperking]

Then go read another topic.

[Freeway]

I like Sven Baertschi.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Freeway

I like Sven Baertschi.

So do I... even though its highly doubtful that he will be a GT or perhaps even a superstar.

But I do think he could become one of the key building blocks around which the Flames can build a Stanley Cup contender...

...... oops... haven't we had this discussion already?.... my bad.

Lets just leave it at "we like Sven!"

[JiriHrdina]

Get back on topic folks, the issue of who is a superstar can be started as a separate thread

[Kipperking]

I think it's already resolved itself.

[SuperMatt18]

Wooooooooooooo! Suck it Canucks

Edit: wrong thread

I like Sven

[Rerun]

JiriHrdina killed this thread.

[Kipperking]

Originally Posted by fotze

I'm sure jiri will take full credit for this 'thread re-alignment' on his moderator performance review.

ha.